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In response to "Also one involves addiction to a chemical substance. The other is addiction to a certain behaviour." by Loyola

"Which in some circles isn't an addiction at all"

Posted by pmb (aka pmb) Jan 20 '10, 09:26

Can't tell if you're suggesting that some people just don't buy the concept of behavior addiction or if you're suggesting that sometimes bad behavior is just bad behavior. I don't think anyone is arguing that it couldn't just be bad behavior, just that nobody here is qualified or has the knowledge necessary to make that determination. To ignore the possibility that it is addictive behavior is silly. Why do we feel the need to rush to the judgement of the most negative connotation. The guy is saying he needs help. Why dismiss that out of hand.

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Because he waited to say it until he got caught. And lost his contracts. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:28 40
- Most people don't really address their addictions until it negatively affects their lives. People don't realize they have a drinking problem until - pmb Jan 20, 09:32 30
  - As we have noted. "Do I drink too much?" vs "Do I sleep with too many women that are not my wife?" are *worlds* apart. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:35 29
    - Not necessarily. - pmb Jan 20, 09:44 23
      - In all honesty, I don't care how sincere he is. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:45 22
        
        if it just boils down to "fuck him, i could give a shit why", then fine. we don't need to debate anything then. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:46 21
        
        But that is not really it. If he jammed a chick or two, maybe. - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:49 13
        
        so he would need help, right? because that is fucked up? -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:49 12
        
        well, serial killing is a bit of a stretch..... - groiny Jan 20, 09:53 7
        
        Just saying that a true compulsion will always be there. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:56 2
        
        but he can learn how to channel it more constructively, contain it, step back, deal with it. that's what treatment is *for*. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:57 1
        
        If he was to stupid to figure that out on his own, nobody will be able to teach him. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:58
        
        Because it's possible that you can handle somethings in your life exceptionally well and struggle with others. - pmb Jan 20, 09:56 2
        
        yet, it is not indicate "addiction". - groiny Jan 20, 09:59 1
        
        Again: admitting addiction does *NOT* equal denying responsibility for actions. (nm) - musubi Jan 20, 10:01
        
        you will get no argument from me that he shouldn't have gotten married. that is clearly true. - TFox Jan 20, 09:55
        
        And here is the main reason I dropped out of my psychology major... he is beyond help. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:51 3
        
        how you could possibly know that is amazing. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:52 2
        
        He is only going because he has to. If it is addiction, no way it will do any good. The getting caught will do it, maybe but nothing that will be - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:55 1
        
        how you could possibly know that is amazing. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:56
        
        I thought this was pmb's entire point about we don't know anything so shut up about it posts. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:47 6
        
        there is a difference between "i've made up my mind about him and nothing can convince me otherwise" and "I don't know so I'm not ruling it out". -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:51 5
        
        The evidence to convince me otherwise was....what? - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:57 3
        
        you have no evidence to support your iron clad opinion. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:59 2
        
        Well, there's more smoke for his position (Tiger just liked jamming chicks, got caught and now he's doing PR) than the Tiger is afflicted argument. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jan 20, 10:05 1
        
        That's what I'm saying...I'll gladly stand on my side given the likelyhood of which is right. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 20, 10:06
        
        Exactly. -- nm - pmb Jan 20, 09:53
    - except that they aren't. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:38 4
      - Yes, they are. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:39 3
        
        It is a line he crossed. A line in black and white. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:40 2
        
        which is not ok. but the underlying conditions are not overwhelmingly different. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:41 1
        
        It doesn't matter. Any human with at least a semi-average IQ knows they have crossed that line. - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:44
- What addict randomly admits they need help prior to getting in deep trouble? - TFox Jan 20, 09:31 7
  - The Enquirer (IIRC) found out a year before and he was able to squash it. - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:34 6
    - Seriously? You think this is evidence he *doesn't* have an addiction? - musubi Jan 20, 09:47 3
      - I say this simply because of the rock bottom argument. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:50 2
        
        Knowing with the perfect view of retrospect, how can you possibly call his (at least then) successful coverup of the problem "rock bottom"? (nm) - musubi Jan 20, 09:55 1
        
        Becasue he was faced with the fact that it could happen, where before he thought he could do anything. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:59
    - There aren't rules to this stuff. "It was ok to realize you had a problem by x date, but now, fuck you." -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:35 1
      - Well, I honestly think it was too late before it even started. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:36
- most addicts hit some sort of "rock bottom" before they acknowledge that they need help... -- nm - znufrii Jan 20, 09:31

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