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In response to ""Which in some circles isn't an addiction at all"" by pmb

Because he waited to say it until he got caught. And lost his contracts. -- nm

Posted by Spawn: Champion of ST (aka Spawn) Jan 20 '10, 09:28

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Most people don't really address their addictions until it negatively affects their lives. People don't realize they have a drinking problem until - pmb Jan 20, 09:32 30
- As we have noted. "Do I drink too much?" vs "Do I sleep with too many women that are not my wife?" are *worlds* apart. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:35 29
  - Not necessarily. - pmb Jan 20, 09:44 23
    - In all honesty, I don't care how sincere he is. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:45 22
      - if it just boils down to "fuck him, i could give a shit why", then fine. we don't need to debate anything then. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:46 21
        
        But that is not really it. If he jammed a chick or two, maybe. - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:49 13
        
        so he would need help, right? because that is fucked up? -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:49 12
        
        well, serial killing is a bit of a stretch..... - groiny Jan 20, 09:53 7
        
        Just saying that a true compulsion will always be there. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:56 2
        
        but he can learn how to channel it more constructively, contain it, step back, deal with it. that's what treatment is *for*. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:57 1
        
        If he was to stupid to figure that out on his own, nobody will be able to teach him. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:58
        
        Because it's possible that you can handle somethings in your life exceptionally well and struggle with others. - pmb Jan 20, 09:56 2
        
        yet, it is not indicate "addiction". - groiny Jan 20, 09:59 1
        
        Again: admitting addiction does *NOT* equal denying responsibility for actions. (nm) - musubi Jan 20, 10:01
        
        you will get no argument from me that he shouldn't have gotten married. that is clearly true. - TFox Jan 20, 09:55
        
        And here is the main reason I dropped out of my psychology major... he is beyond help. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:51 3
        
        how you could possibly know that is amazing. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:52 2
        
        He is only going because he has to. If it is addiction, no way it will do any good. The getting caught will do it, maybe but nothing that will be - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:55 1
        
        how you could possibly know that is amazing. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:56
        
        I thought this was pmb's entire point about we don't know anything so shut up about it posts. - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:47 6
        
        there is a difference between "i've made up my mind about him and nothing can convince me otherwise" and "I don't know so I'm not ruling it out". -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:51 5
        
        The evidence to convince me otherwise was....what? - Will Hunting Jan 20, 09:57 3
        
        you have no evidence to support your iron clad opinion. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:59 2
        
        Well, there's more smoke for his position (Tiger just liked jamming chicks, got caught and now he's doing PR) than the Tiger is afflicted argument. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jan 20, 10:05 1
        
        That's what I'm saying...I'll gladly stand on my side given the likelyhood of which is right. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 20, 10:06
        
        Exactly. -- nm - pmb Jan 20, 09:53
  - except that they aren't. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:38 4
    - Yes, they are. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:39 3
      - It is a line he crossed. A line in black and white. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:40 2
        
        which is not ok. but the underlying conditions are not overwhelmingly different. -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:41 1
        
        It doesn't matter. Any human with at least a semi-average IQ knows they have crossed that line. - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:44
What addict randomly admits they need help prior to getting in deep trouble? - TFox Jan 20, 09:31 7
- The Enquirer (IIRC) found out a year before and he was able to squash it. - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:34 6
  - Seriously? You think this is evidence he *doesn't* have an addiction? - musubi Jan 20, 09:47 3
    - I say this simply because of the rock bottom argument. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:50 2
      - Knowing with the perfect view of retrospect, how can you possibly call his (at least then) successful coverup of the problem "rock bottom"? (nm) - musubi Jan 20, 09:55 1
        
        Becasue he was faced with the fact that it could happen, where before he thought he could do anything. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:59
  - There aren't rules to this stuff. "It was ok to realize you had a problem by x date, but now, fuck you." -- nm - TFox Jan 20, 09:35 1
    - Well, I honestly think it was too late before it even started. -- nm - Spawn: Champion of ST Jan 20, 09:36
most addicts hit some sort of "rock bottom" before they acknowledge that they need help... -- nm - znufrii Jan 20, 09:31

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