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it should be clear to everyone after the last two decades that in politics, reality is what you say it is. If Obama makes the case for the stimulus,

Posted by Reagen (aka Reagen) Feb 17 '10, 11:14

and does it well, it will be accepted.

It's true that it's saved millions of jobs, but that hasn't been effectively communicated.

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Maybe if goes on TV and tells us how much we really want his health care legislation to pass, we'll finally get it. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Feb 17, 11:33 9
- you don't think convincing people to follow you is a big part of being President? - Reagen Feb 17, 11:37 8
  - My point is he *has* tried to do this multiple times and it doesn't seem to be working. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Feb 17, 11:39
  - I hear what you're saying re:showing leadership, but it's exactly that strategy that many are turning against him over. - Name Withheld By Request Feb 17, 11:39 5
    - And him doing a bad job of selling it is worth criticism. But *not* trying to sell it would be a bigger mistake. - Reagen Feb 17, 11:42 4
      - A President's responsibility is to sell his policies to the public, sure. But you demonstrate exactly why he fails... - Dr.Vermin Feb 17, 11:44 3
        
        disinformation is the largest part of it, yes. - Reagen Feb 17, 11:47 1
        
        Be like Bush or learn to listen. - Dr.Vermin Feb 17, 11:50
        
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  - Death Panels! And government mandated doctors! AHHHHH!!! -- nm - TWuG Feb 17, 11:38
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- I'm probably overshooting the mark on plural millions, but several studies show at least a million saved. -- (link) - Reagen Feb 17, 11:26
- how do you know it hasn't saved millions? it's a counterfactual but how much worse would unemployment be but for the stimulus - poochinski Feb 17, 11:25 8
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    - Because you can't point to Bob and say "he didn't get fired directly because of the stimulus" but you can point to Sue and say "she lost her job - TWuG Feb 17, 11:33
    - what says volumes to me is not even getting to a level where jobs created keeps up with the people being added to the labor pool.... - x Feb 17, 11:31
    - which speaks towards political realities, not actual reality. -- nm - Reagen Feb 17, 11:30
    - back to the facts, has the rate of job loss slowed in the last year or hasn't it? -- nm - poochinski Feb 17, 11:30 3
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        and i'm sure if the job losses were as great as they were in Bush's last year, you wouldn't at all place the blame on Obama - poochinski Feb 17, 11:35 1
        
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- With Health Care the facts support the Dem position. The people support the Dem position. The Dems have failed to sell their position, letting the - TWuG Feb 17, 11:24 6
  - I'm not sure that the people support the Dem position on healthcare. There's broad agreement there's a problem, but no consensus on how to solve it -- nm - Roger More Feb 17, 11:39
  - I agree with that. It's like the poll asking if people believe homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military. Majority say no, but when you - Qale Feb 17, 11:27 4
    - You should serve, but you should have to change who you are first. Duh. (nm) - musubi Feb 17, 11:28 3
      - Anyone who doesn't want angry Lesbians in their military is dumb. -- nm - Qale Feb 17, 11:34 2
        
        Private Johnny Weir would f**k Al Qaeda's s**t UUUP! -- nm - poochinski Feb 17, 11:37 1
        
        Glitter attack! -- nm - Reagen Feb 17, 11:38
- And, see, I'm of the third opinion that it doesn't matter if it's worked or not. If you keep trying to sell something that people aren't buying, - Qale Feb 17, 11:23
wouldn't want to get those Republicans upset, might hurt my chances to get things done bipartisanly -- nm - Good Guy Barry Feb 17, 11:19 1
- Well, he's failed partisanly and bipartisanly....maybe he'll get a chance to fail under-doggedly come November -- nm - Will Hunting Feb 17, 11:20
I accept that this is true, but it still just pisses me right off. - musubi Feb 17, 11:17 1
- Word. Whether it worked or not is secondary to whether or not people THINK it worked. -- nm - Jim Feb 17, 11:19

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