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In response to "moose, it failed. The other team scored three empty netters, IIRC, before they gave up on the strategy. -- nm" by Reagen

Yeah, well, it is a crazy ivan, it's not supposed to work often.

Posted by musubi Feb 26 '10, 13:40

I guess the problem with the theory is that since Hockey in general is so low scoring that it's rare for there be enough opportunities for the inefficiency to be tried. 99.9% of the time, there is far greater risk to pulling the goalie.

*but* it still seems like in a 6-0 game in the first period, a crazy ivan might be a decent gimmick to try and change things up.

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The difference with football is that if the onside kick works you deny possession of the ball. - Reagen Feb 26, 13:43 15
- I'm not saying it's anything more than a vague theoretical parallel to football. It's cost/benefit analysis. - musubi Feb 26, 13:48 13
  - Not true. They still have a chance at a bronze medal. - Subversive - remembering Tommy Salo Feb 26, 13:54
  - You have a far better chance of coming back through normal means than through desperate strategies - Reagen Feb 26, 13:52 11
    - Oh sure, it would *have* to be used extremely rarely. Extremely. But I don't think zero is the rught number. - musubi Feb 26, 13:57 10
      - wrong - there is no risk during a delayed penalty. play ends when the other team touches the puck -- nm - Guy Feb 26, 13:59 7
        
        it is possible to put it in your own net. But that's happened precisely twice. -- nm - Reagen Feb 26, 14:06
        
        And a puck can't find the empty net without the other team touching it? - musubi Feb 26, 14:06 5
        
        or your goalie could slip on his way to the bench and knock himself out. or maybe a meteor crashes through the roof -- nm - Guy Feb 26, 14:10 2
        
        So you admit, when you said I was wrong about risk, it was you who was wrong. Thanks. (nm) - musubi Feb 26, 14:11 1
        
        You're better than this. I mean, you should be better than this. -- nm - Reagen Feb 26, 14:13
        
        it's infintesimal. -- nm - Reagen Feb 26, 14:07 1
        
        I agree. But it's not zero. - musubi Feb 26, 14:10
      - And Reagen's point (and that of everyone else who knows hockey) is that a 6-0 game is NEVER that time. - Subversive - remembering Tommy Salo Feb 26, 13:59 1
        
        Fair enough. Like I said, I don't know hockey that well. 6-0, to me, seems like a score that's one where crazy is justified. - musubi Feb 26, 14:02
- itd be like trying to go 80 yards in one play by lateraling it a dozen times or more -- nm - Guy Feb 26, 13:47

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