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Can't believe I missed a good Cuba-throwdown (completely torn on Canadian Cuba-tourism), but I can't help myself but make one or two comments....

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Mar 10 '10, 11:09

The idea that Bush, as disagreeable as you found his politics/actions/decisions/whatever is somehow morally equal to Castro is a badly badly flawed premise from the get go.

There is oceans of difference between the civil culture in the United States under a President like Bush and in the civil culture of Cuba under Castro these years. (The least of which being, Bush was so evil that he still willing relinquished power when his term ended - and to his chief critic, no less.)

The other one being that there is something to be said that many of the people who make explainations for Cuba and try to look at "both" sides are the same people - were they actually Cuban themselves - who would find themselves amongst the most persecuted by the Cuban gov't. This isn't a rip on Andie and only meant as a discussion comment, but how free do we believe Cuban documentarians are in their homeland?

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i remember a time when stating the obvious facts about Bush and the policyes of the crazies was seen as anti-american propagnda - Danedukenuuk Mar 10, 11:15 7
- Yes, I remember when half of ST/TT got rounded up and put in the reeducation camps. - Dr.Vermin Mar 10, 11:16 6
  - what i just said - Danedukenuuk Mar 10, 11:17
  - What were you like before you went in? - Roger More Mar 10, 11:17 4
    - George Bush is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life. - Dr.Vermin Mar 10, 11:23 2
      - which one? W or HW? :) -- nm - Beryllium Mar 10, 11:30
      - that might actually be true - Danedukenuuk Mar 10, 11:24
    - he didn't realize he was in, he just thought that the internet "got quiet" -- nm - Beryllium Mar 10, 11:18
I never would of guessed that a Cuba vacation question would light such a fire under ST - ty97 Mar 10, 11:14 3
- it's okay though. it's been a civil (generally) conversation. -- nm - Andie Mar 10, 11:16 1
  - I think we've matured some and get fighty less easily -- nm - ty97 Mar 10, 11:19
- Cuba is a touchy subject, I can't say I'm totally surprised. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 10, 11:15
no more/less free than Chinese, Iranians, residents of the Soviet Union, countless third world banana republics . . . - 16 & pixie Mar 10, 11:13 1
- agreed. -- nm - Beaker Mar 10, 11:13
Sure, there's a big difference between Cuba and the US. But would any STers be outraged if someone said they were travelling to China? -- nm - Roger More Mar 10, 11:12 4
- China? no. Iran and north korea? Yeah, maybe. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 10, 11:15
- I'm not a fan of what goes on in Cuba, but I'm not a fan of our embargo of Cuba either. -- nm - TFox Mar 10, 11:14 1
  - Same for me. -- nm - Krusty Mar 10, 11:19
- This is a good point. (nm) - musubi Mar 10, 11:13
Well said. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Mar 10, 11:11
hmm. - Beryllium Mar 10, 11:11
for the record, i never said Castro *wasn't* a repressive dictator. - Andie Mar 10, 11:11 15
- Honestly not trying to pick a personal fight with you, but it's really not the same. - Name Withheld By Request Mar 10, 11:18 6
  - I don't think it's that simple. If tourism to Cuba dried up tomorrow, the regime would seek support from other places - like it has sought support - Roger More Mar 10, 11:24 3
    - Can we think of any notable human rights or diplomatic successes Canada's normal relations with Cuba have paid off on? - Name Withheld By Request Mar 10, 11:35
    - Education. The cause of, and solution to, all of humanity's problems. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 10, 11:29
    - agreed -- nm - Beaker Mar 10, 11:27
  - any form of contact with cuba is what drives the cuban "economy" and sustains the dictatorship - Danedukenuuk Mar 10, 11:21
  - i've never said there aren't issues, i'm saying, there are issues in lots of places and i don't agree with the US's stance. -- nm - Andie Mar 10, 11:20
- FWIW, "we're cool with Castro" implied otherwise. - Dr.Vermin Mar 10, 11:14 7
  - well, as a country we don't take any actions against him. so, by implication. -- nm - Andie Mar 10, 11:16 6
    - but you did side with Bush and send troops to Iraq, didn't you? -- nm - CrankYanker Mar 10, 11:17 5
      - No. -- nm - Reagen Mar 10, 11:19
      - No. We didn't. We wouldn't do it without UN approval -- (link) - Andie Mar 10, 11:19 3
        
        Ah, cool. And I see you didn't send troops to Vietnam either. Why are we friends? ;-) -- nm - CrankYanker Mar 10, 11:20 2
        
        the two most contentious wars in modern history. -- nm - Andie Mar 10, 11:21 1
        
        I think the Viking wars are more contentious, but I'll concede that it's arguable. (nm) - musubi Mar 10, 11:23

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