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and this is why I never mind the Mouse Hunt talk -- nm - crash davis Mar 11, 13:42 3
- Yeah. Mouse Hunt is easier to ignore. (nm) - musubi Mar 11, 13:43 2
  - if I could think of a topic, I'd generate some inane sports chatter with you -- nm - crash davis Mar 11, 13:44
  - sinners. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:43
and now we'll round out the conversation with some Incense and Peppermints -- nm - Beryllium Mar 11, 13:39 6
- Strawberry Alarm Clock! -- nm - TWuG Mar 11, 13:40
- I've been meaning to ask. nmbBery - Qale Mar 11, 13:40 4
  - well, if I don't factor in my purchase of a mac mini about a year ago, then the budget is enough to run the site for about 3.5 years ... :) -- nm - Beryllium Mar 11, 13:44 3
    - (If I include that, as I attempted to do for my taxes, then we're ever so slightly in the black, enough to run the site for about 6 months with no - Beryllium Mar 11, 13:45 1
      - I've been moving away from Google as much as possible myself. Too many baskets for my eggs for my tastes. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:47
    - That's excellent! - Qale Mar 11, 13:45
Hoya Saxa! -- nm - loosilu Mar 11, 13:37 1
- Go Terps! - MDH Mar 11, 13:38
Sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:34 5
- also the black sheeps? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:36 1
  - Cake was not specific during this particular sermon. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:38
- That's racist. (nm) - musubi Mar 11, 13:35 2
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    - Hee! (nm) - musubi Mar 11, 13:41
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- rare praise indeed, what its generally about? -- nm - crash davis Mar 11, 13:42
- This is on my bookshelf, so now I'm excited. Thanks. -- nm - MDH Mar 11, 13:37
hmm, i need to make more kool-aid -- nm - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:25 1
- electric? -- nm - Owsley Stanley Mar 11, 13:26
One of the strongest arguments against there even being a god is the whole "sin now, punish later" aspect. It's like a parent who tells his kid - TWuG Mar 11, 13:24 37
- i just finished Horns. I liked his point that God and Devil are really on the same side. They both like torturing sinners. - Andie Mar 11, 13:36 4
  - satan is an creation of god -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:37 3
    - both are creations of man. -- nm - amanda Mar 11, 13:41 2
      - not according to gods words - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:45
      - "Man has created God in his own image. After his own likeness has he created Him." -- nm - znufrii Mar 11, 13:42
- thats logic and against the teachings of the church your dammed for eternaty -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:31 3
  - Oh, the masturbation, porn, cursing, and atheism have already taken care of that. And I vote Democrat, too. - TWuG Mar 11, 13:37 2
    - I will never forget the reaction at confirmation retreat when the priest said that first one was a sin. Every guy's reaction was "oh crap" -- nm - MDH Mar 11, 13:38
    - yep you're basically allready fucked might as well start sinning more - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:38
- It certainly is that for people that reject God (the parent) and leave and go do whatever they want. For those that talk with their parents daily and - oblique Mar 11, 13:29 21
  - A lot certainly depends on your definition of "punish" the traditional idea of "Hell" really isn't well supported in the Bible. - Ender Mar 11, 13:49
  - Yeah, okay, if you're actually hearing God speak to you you might want to get that checked out. - TWuG Mar 11, 13:35 15
    - I firmly believe that all those little "thoughts" that pop into our heads daily are God speaking to our souls. I can't explain it all in specifics - oblique Mar 11, 13:39 5
      - I'm going to give you points on staying calm, rational and on-point in the face of my post. - TWuG Mar 11, 13:44
      - so how does that resound with "free will" ???? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:42 3
        
        I'm free to ignore or listen -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:43 2
        
        so listen to god takes away your free will? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:45 1
        
        Growing up, your parents told you lots of stuff, right? Did listening to them take away your free will? -- nm - Ender Mar 11, 13:50
    - Dude, shut the fuck up. -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:36 8
      - No. If you all can talk about how great and wonderful God is I can share my feelings on the farce I think it all is. -- nm - TWuG Mar 11, 13:38 7
        
        I am shocked, *shocked* I say, that a discussion of religion ended up this way. (nm) - musubi Mar 11, 13:39 5
        
        Yeah, I'm in a pissy mood today. I should've walked away. -- nm - TWuG Mar 11, 13:41 4
        
        No no no, take a shit on what people believe to make yourself feel better. It's fun to watch. -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:42 3
        
        When I see what you believe used to punish those who don't believe and to protect those who do, but do bad, I get pissy. - TWuG Mar 11, 13:47
        
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        Dude. He just said he should have walked away. - musubi Mar 11, 13:44
        
        You're awesome. -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:39
  - kilbo, it's time to move out of your parent's basement and grow up. You can do it on your own! -- nm - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:30 3
    - But there's free cable and internet! -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:32 2
      - Comast is the debil. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:34 1
        
        No argument there. I think we may have found our first universal religious truth. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:36
- I never got this from church...what I got was if you sin, you will be punished in other ways....like karma....AND you won't get into heaven. -- nm - CrankYanker Mar 11, 13:28 2
  - Buddist don't go to heaven but to Nirvana - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:33
  - Ah, the Bhudditarians. -- nm - Reagen Mar 11, 13:29
- well, it certainly points out the flaws in the current popular descriptions of him, anyway... -- nm - znufrii Mar 11, 13:28
- I won't say if I agree or disagree, but I certainly lol'd. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:25
- "He's an angry elf." -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:25
st poll: what is one "law" you wish you could enact/get passed? -- nm - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:24 6
- Hypocrisy would be illegal -- nm - ceregon Mar 11, 13:32
- term limits for congress -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:28
- And it would be effective? Religion would cease to be. -- nm - TWuG Mar 11, 13:27 2
  - heh. i have no problem with "organized" religions, what bothers me is when they want to legislate, or otherwise enforce, - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:36 1
    - Most days that's all that bothers me. Today, apparently, is not one of those days. - TWuG Mar 11, 13:39
- Selfish reasons: Legalize marijuana. Nonselfish: Abolish sexual discrimination. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:25
what i find fascinating about a portion of the debate on the bible and homosexuality - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:13 30
- if a book after 1400 years of debate still is unclear to people i'd say it's a monumental fail -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:22 6
  - i'm sure to the people who spoke the language at the time it was written it was very clear. -- nm - Andie Mar 11, 13:23 5
    - Really? I somehow think it wasn't. They're all weird parables and wacky stories about magic stuff happening. - musubi Mar 11, 13:25 3
      - that's probably true, but in terms of translating a word? would not have been necessary. -- nm - Andie Mar 11, 13:31
      - "for the demon shall bear a nine-bladed sword. NINE-bladed! Not two or five or seven, but NINE, which he will wield on all wretched sinners..." -- nm - Reagen Mar 11, 13:28 1
        
        "Vageta, what does the scouter say about his power level." "It's over nine-thousand!" -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:29
    - i'm sure most people regardless of language today can read the bible clearly - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:25
- As a homosexual and non-Christian, I don't see any doubt that Christianity considers homosexual sex a sin. - Dano Mar 11, 13:17 14
  - Dano is smart. -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:25
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  - I would agree with everything you said. The second part is a big part of Jesus' teaching that the supposed "righteous" are not so in the eyes of God -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:20
  - but to argue A with anyone, you have to then argue - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:18 10
    - what ever happened to separately of church and state? -- nm - Andie Mar 11, 13:25 8
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        The whole "what did the founders want" thing always seems a bit like ancestor worship to me. -- nm - Reagen Mar 11, 13:30 2
        
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        I've never gotten it either. LIke the world and the morals and the minds of people in 1776 should rule what happens today. -- nm - Andie Mar 11, 13:31
      - Only for tax purposes? (nm) - musubi Mar 11, 13:27 2
        
        is that true? (i'm not american, i really don't know) -- nm - Andie Mar 11, 13:30 1
        
        No, it was just a joke. (nm) - musubi Mar 11, 13:36
      - separation -- nm - Andie Mar 11, 13:26
    - There's no laws on the books against coveting your neighbour's wife or honouring thy mother or thy father, so... -- nm - Reagen Mar 11, 13:21
- It is, to me, a really frustrating example of missing the forest for the trees. -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:14 6
  - that is the second time this week i have heard/read that phrase, and i have no clue what it means -- nm - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:16 5
    - focusing on the details, and as a result missing the whole point. -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:18 1
      - ok, now I understand - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:19
    - In short it means not seeing the big picture. -- nm - Krusty Mar 11, 13:17 2
      - and focusing on a small detail. -- nm - Krusty Mar 11, 13:18 1
        
        must be an east coast thing -- nm - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:20
- details, I had to look up how to spell the word, - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:14
Dawson's dream date -- (link) - MDH Mar 11, 13:13 [Image] 1
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ST has been incredibly funny today ... or I'm just susceptible to humor maybe ... I've been handing out L4's willy nilly for some reason -- nm - JenBro Mar 11, 13:03 1
- Laugh slut. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:05
Dignan - you're #12 overall in offensive points, but only #814 in defensive points. Don't you see he is doing you a favor? - crash davis Mar 11, 13:02 3
- dignan has an open-(back)door policy for these things. -- nm - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:04
- Who wants defensive points?? nm - Dignan Mar 11, 13:03 1
  - esperanza, kingkev, konias, matazn, tbar, undertaker, riseagainst - the list goes on and on -- nm - crash davis Mar 11, 13:04
LIR: Dane. Easy to generalize "the church". I just know that the community of Christians that I am able to been around are a positive influence in - oblique Mar 11, 13:00 21
- I'm finding it harder and harder not to be intolerant of christian religions. - amanda Mar 11, 13:30 1
  - I'm so glad my landlord is Jewish... :) -- nm - znufrii Mar 11, 13:32
- i want a god that gives judement right after the deed is done and don't let people molest and assult children for decades -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:02 18
  - God's justice isn't in this world, it is in eternity -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:03 17
    - thats a cruel god indeed -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:04 16
      - You can't have your free will without it, not as I believe it to be. -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:06 15
        
        you can have all the free will you want i just want gods punisment before the priest can molest 10 or 20 boys sexsually and beat the shit out of 100 - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:08 14
        
        It's people that are cruel. Everyone sins and in God's eyes, no sin is greater than another - oblique Mar 11, 13:11 13
        
        No sin is greater than another? For reals? - musubi Mar 11, 13:24 8
        
        no one sin and you're in hell thats why Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot get away pritty easy - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:27 2
        
        The only people that don't enjoy God's gift are those that reject it. It's waiting for everyone for the taking. -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:30 1
        
        so even though Adolf shoot himselfs (eternal damnation) he might ALSO be in paradise????? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:31
        
        It is this way so that no one can boast. The playing field is level. We're all sinners, every last one of us - oblique Mar 11, 13:27 3
        
        so if Stalin has showen remorse and belif in God a few minutes before he died he might be in paradise too? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:29 2
        
        That's not something I can answer. Only God knows his heart. And I don't believe that the end of our earthly life is the end - oblique Mar 11, 13:32 1
        
        but there is a possibility it might be do right? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:34
        
        Hitler and they guy who drooled over his neighbor's wife and then rubbed one out will be bunking together in Hell, apparently. -- nm - TWuG Mar 11, 13:26
        
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        what do oyu call someone who has the power to stop a crime and don't bother becorse of his private reasons again? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:12 2
        
        Again, you can't have free will without it. We're given the choice every second to do what we want with our lives - oblique Mar 11, 13:14 1
        
        being sesually mollested is also not a way to live there are quite a few suicides in theese cases - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:18
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- It is essentially saying, left to their own devices, people are wicked and do awful things - oblique Mar 11, 12:58 24
  - I'm left to my own devices. I don't think I do awful things - in fact, I think the opposite. - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:15 9
    - agreed, for the most part. - znufrii Mar 11, 13:21
    - We're all sinners. All of us. Any sin is awful to God. -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:18 6
      - we're also made in God's image and likeness, all of us, and therefore reflect his greatness. - znufrii Mar 11, 13:23
      - Your God is kind of a prick. - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:21 4
        
        Well, we're talking only of the first half of the story. The rest of Romans is about how despite all this, God's love for us is there for us to accept - oblique Mar 11, 13:24 3
        
        It's not unconditional, though. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:27 2
        
        The only condition of the gift is that you take it -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:34 1
        
        here's where I disagree. - znufrii Mar 11, 13:36
    - When I'm left to my own devices, I hunt pigs, get everyone riled up enough to kill someone, blame the deceased, then drop rocks on fatties. -- nm - Jack Merridew Mar 11, 13:17
  - thats probably why we in the last week alone have atleast 100 new cases of pheadofhelia in the catholic church - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:00 11
    - and each of those cases were people acting without God in their hearts. each and every one. - oblique Mar 11, 13:02 10
      - funny since each of thoose who did it were protected and hidden buy the church - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:03
      - That's just another version of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. -- nm - Reagen Mar 11, 13:02 8
        
        Acting in alignment with God isn't an absolute like being Scottish. It's an eternal path that none of us will ever stay on for the entire journey - oblique Mar 11, 13:05 7
        
        but the point is that you're just declaring those that don't act in line with your set of guidelines to "not have God in their hearts". Says you, whic - Reagen Mar 11, 13:09 6
        
        I think it's a linguistic nitpick. It's not that God isn't *in* there. It's that you aren't acting in concert with his teachings. Pushing him away. - TFox Mar 11, 13:13 2
        
        (I'm jumping in way late, this may not make a lick of sense.) -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:15
        
        ( -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:15
        
        Which brings us to right and wrong which are certainly not "my" guidelines. God is the judge of our actions, not me - oblique Mar 11, 13:13 2
        
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        Part of what is being said in Romans is that even those who have no idea of the teachings of God still have an natural inclination of right and wrong - oblique Mar 11, 13:22
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    - Heh. -- nm - Alanis Mar 11, 13:00
- I prefer this translation... -- (link) - znufrii Mar 11, 12:57
talk about what I want you to talk about, not what you're talking about! -- nm - Mel Profit Mar 11, 12:56 4
- I talk as little about Ika on these boards as possible - Reagen Mar 11, 13:07 2
  - I work to limit, too. - b. Mar 11, 13:37
  - ditto... - Mel Profit Mar 11, 13:25
- does what you want us to talk about involve boobies? -- nm - tRuMaN Mar 11, 12:56
boo -- nm - decline Mar 11, 12:55
body movin' body movin' -- nm - b. Mar 11, 12:55 1
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