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It is essentially saying, left to their own devices, people are wicked and do awful things

Posted by oblique (aka kkuphal) Mar 11 '10, 12:58

and God hates that and would have every right to just smite us all for our sinfulness

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I'm left to my own devices. I don't think I do awful things - in fact, I think the opposite. - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:15 9
- agreed, for the most part. - znufrii Mar 11, 13:21
- We're all sinners. All of us. Any sin is awful to God. -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:18 6
  - we're also made in God's image and likeness, all of us, and therefore reflect his greatness. - znufrii Mar 11, 13:23
  - Your God is kind of a prick. - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:21 4
    - Well, we're talking only of the first half of the story. The rest of Romans is about how despite all this, God's love for us is there for us to accept - oblique Mar 11, 13:24 3
      - It's not unconditional, though. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:27 2
        
        The only condition of the gift is that you take it -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:34 1
        
        here's where I disagree. - znufrii Mar 11, 13:36
- When I'm left to my own devices, I hunt pigs, get everyone riled up enough to kill someone, blame the deceased, then drop rocks on fatties. -- nm - Jack Merridew Mar 11, 13:17
thats probably why we in the last week alone have atleast 100 new cases of pheadofhelia in the catholic church - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:00 11
- and each of those cases were people acting without God in their hearts. each and every one. - oblique Mar 11, 13:02 10
  - funny since each of thoose who did it were protected and hidden buy the church - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:03
  - That's just another version of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. -- nm - Reagen Mar 11, 13:02 8
    - Acting in alignment with God isn't an absolute like being Scottish. It's an eternal path that none of us will ever stay on for the entire journey - oblique Mar 11, 13:05 7
      - but the point is that you're just declaring those that don't act in line with your set of guidelines to "not have God in their hearts". Says you, whic - Reagen Mar 11, 13:09 6
        
        I think it's a linguistic nitpick. It's not that God isn't *in* there. It's that you aren't acting in concert with his teachings. Pushing him away. - TFox Mar 11, 13:13 2
        
        (I'm jumping in way late, this may not make a lick of sense.) -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:15
        
        ( -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 13:15
        
        Which brings us to right and wrong which are certainly not "my" guidelines. God is the judge of our actions, not me - oblique Mar 11, 13:13 2
        
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        Part of what is being said in Romans is that even those who have no idea of the teachings of God still have an natural inclination of right and wrong - oblique Mar 11, 13:22
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- Heh. -- nm - Alanis Mar 11, 13:00

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