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LIR: TWuG. There's no reason to blame religion for sin. It's there, everywhere, with or without it. And the capacity for doing good is there too

Posted by oblique (aka kkuphal) Mar 11 '10, 13:49

with or without religion. But God's gift of eternal life is also there, free for the taking for anyone who wants it. If you don't, that's your free will choice to make. But if you do take it, there's an eternal reward.

The key to enjoying that reward, is to understand the magnitude of it. The magnitude of our sin, and as such, the magnitude of God's love in giving us the gift.

Once we really appreciate that, we *want* to change our lives to be better *because* God gave us that gift, not in order to earn it or to someone put ourselves better than anyone else. As pure heartfelt thanks for loving is unconditionally.

The parental analogy is an excellent one and God is a better father than I could ever be, always there to offer help and guidance no matter what wrong I might do.

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there is all the reason for blaiming religion at lot "sin" is a minor part of religions wrongdoings - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 13:58
If you don't believe in God or an afterlife, and instead believe in yourself and your capacity to do good for your fellow mankind because mankind is - JaxSean Mar 11, 13:57 6
- and you have more time doing it since you don't have to waste houers a week for "cermons" -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 14:06
- That's true. A very nice sentiment. The reason I go to Church is to be with other Believers - amoxy Mar 11, 14:03
- imho, in its ideal state, religion is a symbolistic mechanism to inspire people to do exactly what you describe. -- nm - znufrii Mar 11, 14:03 1
  - I read this first as "symbiotic mechanism" and think maybe it works either way. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 14:04
- I agree and I think that's an honorable and admirable way to live -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 14:01
- this is how i feel. i certainly don't believe any one religion trumps all, but i believe that people can be good because they want to be. -- nm - Andie Mar 11, 13:59
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- are you drunk right now? nm -- nm - groiny Mar 11, 13:57
except without the concept of religious sins, there would not be sin. -- nm - tRuMaN Mar 11, 13:54 6
- Human psychology would still have us feeling guilt, regret, etc. though. - mara Mar 11, 13:57 5
  - sure, maybe, but it wouldnt be Sin as we consider sin to be. - tRuMaN Mar 11, 14:00 4
    - So the general feeling of the word/action isn't the important thing, but the fact someone named it something? - Will Hunting Mar 11, 14:02 1
      - no, what i am saying is that Sin as we know it is linked to the religious material that conceptualized it. - tRuMaN Mar 11, 14:11
    - sure, there would be no religious connotation without religion, but there would still be good / bad. -- nm - Andie Mar 11, 14:01 1
      - sure there would be. but it wouldnt be the same as Sin as we have it. -- nm - tRuMaN Mar 11, 14:03
without religion, there is no sin :) -- nm - peglegpete Mar 11, 13:54 4
- but that's really a semantic distinction. - znufrii Mar 11, 13:55 2
  - we may not have the word 'sin' without religion giving it to us - peglegpete Mar 11, 13:57 1
    - it's like a person with multible personality disorde discussing with himself - Danedukenuuk Mar 11, 14:00
- yeah, I was kinda thinking that too. nm -- nm - groiny Mar 11, 13:54
In fairness to you, you seem to do a much better job than most of explaining your beliefs and living by them. - TWuG Mar 11, 13:53 1
- That's fair and I would wholeheartedly agree with you -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 13:55
kilbo, you know I respect that you believe what you believe, and that you're willing to calmly rationally discuss it, but this - musubi Mar 11, 13:52 14
- Horseshit. He didn't bring up religion on Bwhatever, and is merely explaining his own beliefs. - Dr.Vermin Mar 11, 13:58
- I can't "save souls" but at the same time, I feel strongly that with all the horrible things put out in the name of religion that there should be an - oblique Mar 11, 13:57 8
  - Like I said, I hope you understand that I not saying you shouldn't say it, just that at this point, perhaps a break is in order. (nm) - musubi Mar 11, 14:07 1
    - I gotta go home now anways :) later! -- nm - oblique Mar 11, 14:10
  - we need a new word to describe people like you, as the word "religion" has pretty much been co-opted to decribe a socio-political institution - znufrii Mar 11, 14:01 4
    - Sort of like "environmentalism". - nm - Name Withheld By Request Mar 11, 14:03 3
      - or "patriotism" for that matter. - znufrii Mar 11, 14:05 1
        
        Also, ding. "A lot of bad shit has been done in the name of" lots of things. Money, power, LOVE... - Dr.Vermin Mar 11, 14:08
      - DING! -- nm - Dr.Vermin Mar 11, 14:04
  - God would be so much better if he offered us like 7 virgins or something. nm -- nm - groiny Mar 11, 13:58
- I disagree with your inner message and am sometimes confused as to why or when something starts to become off limits for discussion here. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 13:55 3
  - I don't think it's off limits by any means. I just think tempers are raised, and it's time to just let it rest for a bit. - musubi Mar 11, 13:59 2
    - Oh. Well, the tempers that are being raised are the usual suspects though so we can always hose them down later. -- nm - Qale Mar 11, 14:01 1
      - Me first, me first! -- nm - TWuG Mar 11, 14:03
sure, there are plenty of other much more deserving thing to blame on religion... :) -- nm - znufrii Mar 11, 13:52

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