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In response to "probably untilt hey pull you over and cause you to be late for something." by groiny

I'd trade a small percent chance I am late for something for identifying and stopping drunk drivers any day of the week. -- nm

Posted by Beaker (aka Anniebecca) Mar 12 '10, 08:29

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By that logic, the police should be able to knock on your door and enter it to search for grow ops without warrent. - Name Withheld By Request Mar 12, 08:36 7
- ahhhh! it's a slippery slope! - mafic Mar 12, 08:58 1
  - Considering that likely 90% of current Canadian law comes through incrementalism, how can someone pretend that slippery slopes don't happen? - Name Withheld By Request Mar 12, 09:02
- not the same thing. a grow-op house does not jump out and fall on people walking past it. -- nm - zork Mar 12, 08:39
- I have yet to see a grow op drive down the street... -- nm - Beaker Mar 12, 08:38 3
  - The point is that if you are willing to allow the police to do random stops to prevent criminal activity and protect people, that it's an easy.... - Name Withheld By Request Mar 12, 08:45 2
    - make it easy, stop selling alcohol. nm -- nm - groiny Mar 12, 08:46 1
      - I could live with that. -- nm - zork Mar 12, 08:49
I guess I do not want to be harassed when I am doing nothing wrong. nm -- nm - groiny Mar 12, 08:32 23
- This isn't giving them the power to randomly stop people, it's giving them the power to randomly breathalyze people who are already stopped. - Beryllium Mar 12, 08:39 5
  - but, by your IM you are basically anti-breathalyzer, not random spot checks. -- nm - Andie Mar 12, 08:41 1
    - I'm pro-Counterattack, if you want to put it that way. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 12, 08:42
  - about your last point, the blood test back at the station would give the proper reading. -- nm - zork Mar 12, 08:41 2
    - so now they can haul my sober ass to the station and give me a blood test? nm -- nm - groiny Mar 12, 08:42 1
      - only if you blow over on the breathalyzer. -- nm - Andie Mar 12, 08:44
- do you have spot checks now? we have the RIDE program. - Andie Mar 12, 08:33 1
  - I have no problem with that. - groiny Mar 12, 08:35
- I wonder how they will get around our Charter to actually be able to do it and have it stand up in court. -- nm - Beaker Mar 12, 08:33
- Families of those killed by drunk drivers feel differently. I hope nobody here ever has to go through that. -- nm - zork Mar 12, 08:33 13
  - Yes, but when setting laws for all of society, you have to weigh the costs over the whole country and not the individual victims of crime. - Name Withheld By Request Mar 12, 08:38
  - I am not unsympathetic to that, but is pulling me over going to bring them back? nm -- nm - groiny Mar 12, 08:35 11
    - no but it will remove someone from a car before it happens -- nm - zork Mar 12, 08:38 10
      - I would argue that current drunk driving laws are punitive enough in Canada, that this change would have marginal effects as a deterent. - Name Withheld By Request Mar 12, 08:40 1
        
        true, I hope they make the penalties much much much tougher as part of this (or even instead of in fact) -- nm - Beaker Mar 12, 08:40
      - the % of people you are going to stop has to be a very low %. - groiny Mar 12, 08:39 7
        
        All I care about is saving lives. Driving is a priviledge not a right. -- nm - zork Mar 12, 08:43 6
        
        Then ignore drunk driver and just ban cars. Less than 1,000/year die in Canada from alcohol related accidents. Ten times more "regular" ones. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Mar 12, 08:50
        
        If I pass the driving test, it is a right that I have earned. nm -- nm - groiny Mar 12, 08:44 4
        
        The test merely certifies that you have many of the skills required to not be a menace on the roads. - Beryllium Mar 12, 08:45 3
        
        right, but as a responsible driver, I should not have to be hassled by random stops. nm -- nm - groiny Mar 12, 08:47 2
        
        *THIS LAW IS NOT ABOUT RANDOM STOPS*. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 12, 08:48 1
        
        if I have to get out of my car and breathe into a tube - groiny Mar 12, 08:50

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