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Hey mafic, did you see my post last night about the end of the vote subsidy? Say what you want about Harper or the subsidy, but you have to admire...

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Nov 27 '08, 07:21

...His sense of style and cut-throat competitiveness. This move is going to cripple the Liberals (More So!) and it raelly puts the boots to the Bloc as well. And seeing how it's a confidence vote, how the heck can the opposition vote against it? They're trapped.

I like the subsidy from a public policy point of view, but the strategist in me laughs and laughs and laughs at how fucked the opposition is on this.

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I don;t like the posturing behind it (recession! everyone has to sacrifice!), but I don't have a problem with the end of the subsidy. - mafic Nov 27, 07:38 3
- I'm hoping and hoping (probably futilely) that the deficit talk is just to low expectations and then beat them. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:46 2
  - still, days before the election he was saying there wouldn't be a deficit, and canada would be avoiding recession. - mafic Nov 27, 07:50 1
    - Absolutely. And they are wearing it. I mentioned this to the Finance Minister when I happened to be standing next to him at the convention. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:53
I'd support having the opposition crumble the government at this point. - Beryllium Nov 27, 07:29 18
- Well, to be fair, the vast majority of Canadians do not support the subsidy. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:31 17
  - Whether you think the subsidy is a good idea or not, I don't see how that argument plays into it. - Reagen Nov 27, 07:34 13
    - Because the majority of Canadians, if given a direct choice, may support a political party, but wouldn't give a dime to them. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:38 12
      - It's also a way to ensure that not only the parties that appeal to the richest will get funding - Guigue Nov 27, 07:47 11
        
        Also, your argument higher in this thread definitely has a slant against the Bloc - Guigue Nov 27, 07:50 9
        
        I'm just presenting arguments that are out there. The fact that it supports a seperatist party bothers some people. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:55 5
        
        yeah, but part of democracy is having to live with the crap you don't like. -- nm - mafic Nov 27, 07:59 3
        
        For sure, but that doesn't make the debate less valid either, right? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 08:01 2
        
        no, but "I don't like that other people's votes subsidize a party I don't like." isn't a reason to scrap the system either. -- nm - mafic Nov 27, 08:02
        
        It makes the argument less valid -- nm - Guigue Nov 27, 08:02
        
        Every party bothers some people - Guigue Nov 27, 07:58
        
        I don't like the Bloc either, but if we want money in this program to not go to them, other parties should have policies that appeal better to Quebec - Reagen Nov 27, 07:52 2
        
        Honestly, this election is evidence that many Quebecois won't vote for the federalist parties no matter how good their Quebec positions are. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 08:00
        
        Agreed. They're the last party I would have voted for in the last election, but I don't like this way of taking funding away -- nm - Guigue Nov 27, 07:55
        
        Oh absolutely that is what this is. To be fair however, the Tories are giving up $10 million of the $30 million themselves. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:49
  - It's not about supporting a party, it's about supporting a democracy. And through paying taxes, every taxpayer funds something they disagree with. -- nm - Roger More Nov 27, 07:34
  - I don't want to have to support a party. In fact, I'd like to swing the other way - ban private funding. - Beryllium Nov 27, 07:32 1
    - That's fine. I'm just saying that there's a decent argument from a purely policy position against it. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:34
I hate this "everything" is a confidence vote tactic. It's anti-democratic. -- nm - Reagen Nov 27, 07:24 8
- And there's nothing anti-democratic about it. The opposition could vote against them if they don't feel they can support the bill. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:29 6
  - it's exactly the same kind of tyranny of the majority crap the grits used back in the '90s, only then the tories were thanking their lucky stars they - mafic Nov 27, 07:42
  - I ultimately feel it's an underhanded way of going about things. -- nm - Reagen Nov 27, 07:30 4
    - Right, but let's go back to why Harper increased the use of them a year and change ago. The opposition was stalling and stalling on his justice bills - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:35 2
      - at which point it makes all just abotu screwing over the other guy. - Reagen Nov 27, 07:46 1
        
        I do believe that a total free vote system is likely not possible under our system, whether we would like it or not. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:52
    - Exactly. And "parliamentary history" is littered with underhandedness, both here and abroad. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 07:31
- This is a money bill related package, so by parliamentary definition, I believe it has to be. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 07:26

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