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In response to "Don't try to get me to defend the bloc, like I said this morning, they were the last of the 4 parties I would have voted for in the last election" by Guigue

I'm not asking you to defend the Bloc. I'm asking you to defend Quebeckers.

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Nov 27 '08, 14:23

I'll be honest, I am a westerner who previously defended "reaching out" to Quebec in the hopes of solving national unity problems. I supported solving the "fiscal imbalance" even though I knew there was no such thing. I supported recognition of "Quebec as a nation" even though I don't think it's right to do such a thing for any group in Canada.

Hell, I even grit my teeth when it comes to Canadian government support for abestos mining and Bombardier subsidies because everyone knows those are "Quebec only" issues predominatly.

And I supported these things because I was optimistic that there was finally a chance to get Quebeckers onboard with the idea of being Canadians.

I'm starting to realize that Ottawa can do whatever they want, but most Quebeckers are never going to recognize themselves as anything but Quebeckers and I start to wonder why any party should bend over backwards trying to appease Quebec (as Ottawa does whenever there is an announcement that Quebec will get to run a seperate program instead of other national programs...the most recent being the national securities regulator.)

So I'm just looking for someone to give me hope that I haven't been a big dupe all these years when I've fought with members of my party and friends and family on the side of Quebec demands.

Can you give me any hope that Quebeckers are going to come onboard with the idea of being Canadian before Quebeckers when something benefits Canada as a whole?

Because right now, I don't believe they will. The Bloc is a glorified lobby party. That they continue to receive votes from the majority of Quebeckers offends me as someone who's been yelled at for defending them.

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Sorry, Quebeckers won't be Canadians before Quebeckers anytime soon - Guigue Nov 27, 14:33 14
- That's the problem! If your post had been written by a westerner in the 90's and you replaced "Bloc" with "Reform", you'd have been considered... - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 14:47 13
  - My most fervent hope is that they simply maintain the status quo, and don't actively try to fuck the country in the ass. - Beryllium Nov 27, 14:52 12
    - The status quo is already a problem of "There's everyone else and then there's us." I'm not even the biggest federalist and that disconnect bothers.. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 14:54 11
      - What is it that you want them to share with you? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 14:57 10
        
        I want Quebeckers to show that they actually want to be Canadians. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 14:58 9
        
        Also, you're using the word wrong. Quebecker also refers to Aboriginal and english-speaking residents of Quebec. - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:02 1
        
        You may be correct. But when the official line of the provincial government is so nationalistic as well, it's tough not to encompess everyone. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:08
        
        Who else do you want to demonstrate their desire to be Canadian? First Nations? Chinese-Canadians? - Beryllium Nov 27, 14:59 6
        
        And that makes it okay? That means it's unfair of me to ask why I should continue to support the demands of people who want no part of my country? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:02 5
        
        honestly, it seems a bit strange for you to be saying "You shouldn't want the things you say you want." Seems poor as an overall strategy. -- nm - Reagen Nov 27, 15:06 2
        
        That's the thing though. They say they don't want to leave Canada, but they don't show that they care about Canada either. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:12 1
        
        They've had a different vision of Canada for hundreds of years and will continue to for hudnreds more. might as well command the tide not to rise. -- nm - Reagen Nov 27, 15:14
        
        No, but in my opinion, it makes you Un-Canadian to be so xenophobic. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:03 1
        
        (see what I did there? I proved your point, but accused you of the same exact mentality as them.) -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:06
Awww, you're such a martyr for decency. Why don't you go there and ask them? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 14:25 7
- Seriously Bery, am I that wrong to ask for a little show of faith? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 14:27 5
  - You're wrong to ask the Internet for it, and you're wrong to listen to Pundits to try and find it. - Beryllium Nov 27, 14:28 4
    - I'm asking a Quebecker here am I not? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 14:29 2
      - You're asking one Quebecois to defend all of us, like we're all the same - Guigue Nov 27, 14:39
      - Hai. This is the Internets. Home of the Rantburger. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 14:30
    - (And I really do think that you could make a superb series on your Blog about it) -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 14:28
- ... in fact, take an HD camera, and do a roving reporter series on your blog about it. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 14:26

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