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I think the cultural influence of Quebec is integral to the spirit of being Canadian, and while it does sadden me that a (seemingly large) subset of

Posted by Beryllium (aka grayman) Nov 27 '08, 15:22

their population "wants out", it makes me feel bad when the response of other Canadians is "Well, fine, get the fuck out then". That's not the viewpoint of a true Canadian, in my opinion.

I don't have a suggestion on how to motivate Quebecois to "plug in" to the rest of Canada, but I would like to see it happen nonetheless, and I support efforts that continue to attempt to make it happen.

I believe this discussion stems from the public funding cancellation proposal, and I think that the proposal, if passed, would be bad for Canada in the near-term. As NWBR pointed out, the only party in Canada set up to deal with a privately-funded campaign is the Conservative party - and if they get in, and do as bad a job at managing the social and fiscal policies of the country as I think they will, I fear that none of the other parties will be able to step up to the plate and challenge them in their subsequent campaigns.

In the long term, though, the other parties would no doubt reorganize and find a way to achieve the level of funding they would need to mount a proper campaign.

(As an aside, one political tactic that I absolutely *HATE* is when the party-in-power uses that power to play ads on TV about how great everything is going ... it's not a true campaign/party ad, but it *reeks* of using public coffers to blow smoke up the ass of the populace. The BC liberal party has been doing this for years - very annoying.)

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What I don't get is how NWBR wants us Quebecois to show our love for Canada... - Guigue Nov 27, 15:38 51
- Yes, but all those other groups you mention...Push comes to shove, they usually recognize themselves as Canadian. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:50 34
  - Once again you come back to the government - Guigue Nov 27, 15:57 20
    - Bullshit. The idea that the Bloc represents a different form of government is wrong because they'll never govern and people voting for them know that - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:02 19
      - Wow okay you're more serious about this than I thought... - Guigue Nov 27, 16:09 13
        
        Quebec voters have never voted in large numbers for a non-Quebec leader of a national party. Do you think that is a coincedence? - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:13 1
        
        (this one is definitely meant in jest) Oh, NWBR. You're such an embittered martyr. :) -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:16
        
        I think NWBR is just upset that Quebec gets its own entire party to assert its Provincial interests on a Federal level. - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:11 10
        
        No. I'm upset that I'm always told to make excuses for special status and special programs without being told by anyone as to why. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:16 9
        
        Because we're Canadian. We're nice. We are persistent even in the face of adversity, we are determined to keep our country whole, and we want - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:20 8
        
        How can a country be whole when a large percentage of its people don't give a flying fig what happens to the rest of it? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:22 7
        
        By the will of the people. I thought I made that clear already? - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:39 6
        
        ... to finalize the thought, the single most important tactic is persistence, even in the face of adversity and failure. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:40 5
        
        If you weren't a dirty hippy, I'd kiss you -- nm - Guigue Nov 27, 16:42
        
        Well good I guess, because your strategy has been in place for fifty years and can hardly be said to be working. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:42 3
        
        And *fine*, go get your rocks off. - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:43
        
        Wow, I think you should open a history book and see how it was in Quebec 50 years ago -- nm - Guigue Nov 27, 16:43
        
        Attitudes like yours will bring us to the brink of what Belgium is facing. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:43
      - well it was Stephane Dion, but... -- nm - Reagen Nov 27, 16:06 1
        
        I dropped the caveat from earlier. "Non-elected." Justin Trudeau's the most likely person now. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:08
      - You really think it's going to be a big deal? Something so petty as this? Oooh ... you're going to have a sad, sad decade. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:04 2
        
        Bery, I knew before you posted on B2 that you're posting stuff to just rile me up, so please tell me you're not this disengaged and aloof. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:09 1
        
        I am dead serious in this one opinion: The issue of Quebec Sovereignty v. Canada is *not* going to be the dominant crisis of the next decade. - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:13
  - Go. There. And. Ask. Them. And. Film. It. And. Profit. From. It. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:51 12
    - Send me a cheque to fund it and I'd go in a heartbeat. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:52 11
      - And Harper just cut arts funding. Damn irony. -- nm - Reagen Nov 27, 15:53 7
        
        But he didn't! That's the thing that bugs me the most. The arts cuts....weren't. The department budget grew and the cuts came from within the... - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:58 6
        
        And that's why the protests weren't against Canada, but against the Conservative Party -- nm - Guigue Nov 27, 16:00 5
        
        Quebec has voted a majority of the Bloc in six elections now. This isn't just a piss off to the Tories. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:07 3
        
        I'm not sure you know the Bloc that well, and how they campain - Guigue Nov 27, 16:12 1
        
        I know voting Bloc is not the same as voting seperatist. But it is voting for a party that will never govern. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 16:19
        
        So really, you want the Bloc to be disbanded, and that will solve the problem? That's the gesture you want from Quebec? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 16:09
        
        (We protest against the actions of our provincial government, that doesn't make us anti-Qu�bec) -- nm - Guigue Nov 27, 16:03
      - Hey, if I was running the government, there'd be a New Media Endowment program to do just that. But I'm not. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:52 2
        
        If we were ripping on the Canadian Need To Be Told How To Live By Government, I'd be bookmarking this post. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:55 1
        
        I would love to see government funding for projects like LoadingReadyRun. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:56
- I always imagine the separatists of Quebec as similar to the cowboys of Alberta. - Subversive Nov 27, 15:43 13
  - This isn't to do with seperatism anymore. It's about engaging with your countrymen. - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:51
  - There are a few hardcore separatists, but most people are mild supporters. That's why the % of support change a lot and quickly - Guigue Nov 27, 15:49 4
    - l'effect du Bradleux? -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:50 3
      - I need to find how you translate "chickenshit" -- nm - Guigue Nov 27, 15:51 2
        
        "le merde du coq"? -- nm - Reagen Nov 27, 15:54
        
        hahah. That would be great :) -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:53
  - There is a lot of truth to the idea that Quebec and Alberta would be best friends if only they'd get over hating each other. - Reagen Nov 27, 15:45 5
    - If I were to openly advocate for Western seperatism, I would be dead in the water politically, right? - Name Withheld By Request Nov 27, 15:54 3
      - outright seperatism, yes. framed in a different light, not so much - Reagen Nov 27, 15:56
      - You'd be the Separation Party of Alberta -- (link) - Subversive Nov 27, 15:55
      - Well, you'd be branded as a kook, for sure. But some people would still listen. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:55
    - At the Carnaval de Qu�bec there's the "Calgary Breakfast". Cowboys in winter eating sausages with the Bonhomme Carnaval! - Guigue Nov 27, 15:47
  - Well-said. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:44
- Note: I'm not a hippie of BC, I'm a yuppie of BC. :-) - Beryllium Nov 27, 15:41
- pay 10% more in tax voluntarily? :) -- nm - DaneDukeNuuk Nov 27, 15:41
people have the right to self determination and to become a people - DaneDukeNuuk Nov 27, 15:28

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