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In response to "no, it's recognizing that different circumstances change the implication of those numbers." by Reagen

But people do argue that his mean less because they were only against white players.

Posted by Krusty (aka Krustylu) Jun 5 '10, 09:07

I argue Ichiro's numbers mean less because a bunch of those hits came off of mediocre Japanese pitchers in Japanese parks, not off of the best players in the world.

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I showed you it's 75 hits over his Japanese career based on #'s. - Will Hunting Jun 5, 09:09 17
- Ichiro is one of the greatest hitters ever to play baseball, why would you try an make such a hollow arguement just to get him record? - musubi Jun 5, 09:15 2
  - Because baseball's a numbers game and 4257 professional hits would be more than anyone else ever. - Will Hunting Jun 5, 09:16 1
    - I've already said they're the most professional hits ever. But they're also different. - musubi Jun 5, 09:29
- He got 1,200+ hits in Japan. I can't count those hits towards the record. -- nm - Krusty Jun 5, 09:13
- But we can't *know* Will! Spare me your numerical alchemy! -- nm - Reagen Jun 5, 09:11 12
  - We know he got those hits. Those hits are as real and as valid as any other. But they're not MLB hits. If you count those, you count Oh's HRs too. - musubi Jun 5, 09:16 11
    - Yup. -- nm - Krusty Jun 5, 09:21
    - "it's that simple." What we're saying is, maybe it's not. -- nm - Reagen Jun 5, 09:18 9
      - How is it not that simple? Would a goal scored in Eastern Europe count to the NHL scoring record? - musubi Jun 5, 09:32 8
        
        the stats could eventually be compared (with a lot more work than baseball) - Reagen Jun 5, 09:34 7
        
        So your answer then is no, right? (nm) - musubi Jun 5, 09:36 6
        
        This is apples and oranges where the hits discussion is Red Delicious vs Fuji. -- nm - Reagen Jun 5, 09:39 5
        
        Will's solution is counting all the Red Delicious and the Fuji's together. (nm) - musubi Jun 5, 09:43 4
        
        Actually, I've done enough rough calcs to show you why his #'s should vary within reason. - Will Hunting Jun 5, 09:46
        
        (because they are apples.) -- nm - TFox Jun 5, 09:43 2
        
        But not Gala and Granny Smiths! - musubi Jun 5, 09:45 1
        
        Or ripened vs any apple. - Will Hunting Jun 5, 09:47
but not to the point that they discount Babe Ruth. They toss out that qualification and then summarily ignore it. -- nm - TFox Jun 5, 09:08 1
- Fair enough. -- nm - Krusty Jun 5, 09:09

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But people do argue that his mean less because they were only against white players.

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