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The censorship issue to me is illustrated by what Apple did and what Clean Movies did.

Posted by Dano (aka dano) Jun 19 '10, 09:32

Apple: We won't sell your comic because of the boobs.
Publisher: That's stupid. It's not obscene.
Apple: We don't care. Now if there weren't boobs, we'd sell it.
Publisher: Fine, here it is without boobs.

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Clean Movies took it upon themselves to edit the movies how they saw fit. If they had said to the producer we won't sell your movie unless you provide a clean movie, then the producer could decide whether that outlet was valuable enough to bow to their demands.

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I'm sorry but to me that's censoring the comic, plain and simple. - Krusty Jun 19, 09:36 6
- Okay - Apple made the publisher censor it (I do find a distinction with who made the changes), but they were fully within their rights to do so. -- nm - Dano Jun 19, 09:38 5
  - I agree with you, but when Apple is selling something worse, in this case, Kick Ass,.... - Remlik Jun 19, 10:28
  - This I agree with. - Krusty Jun 19, 09:41
  - censors always makes the publisher make the changes themselfs - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:41 2
    - No they don't. Clean Movies re-edited the movies themselves to cut out the "bad parts" without informing the producers. -- nm - Dano Jun 19, 09:44 1
      - infingement of creative right then - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:45
which studios have done, editing for content to get on network/cable/airplanes for years -- nm - jingoist pixie Jun 19, 09:35 1
- yes - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:39
I'm with Dano. -- nm - loosilu Jun 19, 09:34
all censors do it that way - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:34
like I said, a distinction without a difference. -- nm - Reagen Jun 19, 09:33 36
- Well, then let's just say that a company has no obligation to provide you with a platform for free speech. -- nm - Dano Jun 19, 09:34 35
  - But they feel it's in the best interest of everyone that they censor what adults can see. -- nm - Krusty Jun 19, 09:37 33
    - No. They feel it is in their best interests to monitor what *they* sell. -- nm - NWBR on iPhone Jun 19, 09:42 1
      - but that decision is all over the place and not consistent. -- nm - Remlik Jun 19, 11:13
    - I'm not saying I agree with them. Apple is completely evil. I have hated Apple for a long time. -- nm - Dano Jun 19, 09:39 12
      - I'm just looking to argue, I'm bored. :-) -- nm - Krusty Jun 19, 09:47 11
        
        wait for it - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:52 10
        
        I want Denmark to win but I'm afraid Cameroon is going to win. - Krusty Jun 19, 09:53 9
        
        i'd be surprise if it's the reverse result - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:57 8
        
        Heh? Cameroon looked all kinds of poor in the first game. Banking on Denmark here. -- nm - celedhring Jun 19, 10:03 5
        
        the problem with rommedahal is he need so many tries before he hits the ball correct - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 10:04 4
        
        Yup, let the young guys run all over the place and give them a chance to create. -- nm - Krusty Jun 19, 10:07 1
        
        atleast it looks better then half injured walking the pitch -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 10:09
        
        It may sound crazy, but I would have taken Peter Lovenkrands from Newcastle. - celedhring Jun 19, 10:06 1
        
        crazy? - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 10:08
        
        Very true. Not coming into the cup healthy has really hurt them. -- nm - Krusty Jun 19, 09:59 1
        
        bad coaching to some extent - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 10:02
    - The flip side being that the company maintains no control over the content of what they publish whatsoever? -- nm - TFox Jun 19, 09:38 17
      - like I said, they can choose to not sell a product. - Reagen Jun 19, 09:48 2
        
        Don't you think the comic creators prefer the option to sell their product? I guarantee they do. -- nm - TFox Jun 19, 09:51 1
        
        ultimately they would prefer to sell it as is in the same market. - Reagen Jun 19, 09:56
      - No, you make it so adults can buy adult products and children can not. - Krusty Jun 19, 09:43 12
        
        They are a private company. What obligation do they have to provide a service they don't want to provide? - NWBR on iPhone Jun 19, 09:48 5
        
        They don't have any obligation. I was just trying to say that they can sell things uncensored to adults if they wished since - Krusty Jun 19, 09:51
        
        I'm not in favour of requiring them to do so. I'm not even in favour of sanctioning them. I am in favour, though, of calling them out on this. -- nm - Reagen Jun 19, 09:50 3
        
        yes...mark it in your personal "firms i wanna buy products from" book -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:51 2
        
        I'm already pretty anti-Apple. -- nm - Reagen Jun 19, 10:00 1
        
        me too -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 10:03
        
        but Apple has the right to decide if they want to do that. -- nm - loosilu Jun 19, 09:47 5
        
        I know but that was my solution to TFox's post about control. -- nm - Krusty Jun 19, 09:48
        
        yes but it still censorship - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:48 3
        
        then all retailers are censors. -- nm - loosilu Jun 19, 09:52 2
        
        no in non publishing it's "Quality control" but it is the same mechanisem - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 10:01
        
        Porn shops too? - Krusty Jun 19, 09:53
      - censorship is not nessesarily bad but it is censorship -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:42
  - ofcourse not it's not a matter of obligation but of behaviour - Danedukenuuk Jun 19, 09:36

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