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In response to "Soccer just doesn't get much right. -- nm" by David

LIR: I misspoke. I shouldn't have said "equivalent". There are parallels between those plays.

Posted by musubi Jul 2 '10, 14:39

I didn't mean to connote equivalence, just that from the players perspective, it's the same kind of act.

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Yeah, I got that. I agree that sycor's goaltending analogy is the best one. The points count in that scenario. -- nm - David Jul 2, 14:42 41
- That's a direct analogy of what we think the rule *should* be, but as the rule is now, my analogy is the accurate one. - musubi Jul 2, 14:48 28
  - Goaltending was created because it was done intentionally. A defensive player could be placed under the basket to just swat at the balls coming down. - pmb Jul 2, 14:53 5
    - Again: I agree that is what the rule *should* be like. But as it is *now*, the parallel act in basketball *IS* a foul to prevent a dunk. (nm) - musubi Jul 2, 14:58 4
      - Just to be clear, in basketball circles, that's known as a "super-lame play", right? -- nm - Beryllium Jul 2, 15:02 3
        
        Not if the dunk is to win an elimination game. - musubi Jul 2, 15:15 2
        
        I guess it's a bit different because there's no goalie, but a hard foul at the end of a bball game like that sounds like a super-lame play to me. - Beryllium Jul 2, 15:21 1
        
        There are intentional fouls and just plain old hard fouls. An intentional one will get you a free throw and the ball back. - Krusty Jul 2, 15:26
  - Everyone has moved on from the atrocity of your analogy but you. We're focusing on the failings of soccer instead. - David Jul 2, 14:49 21
    - I can live with being right, even after you've moved on. (nm) - musubi Jul 2, 14:52 20
      - AnalogyFail says what? -- nm - David Jul 2, 14:54
      - You seem to be with Dane on this one. - pmb Jul 2, 14:54 18
        
        Really pmb? I'm not, and I've said so numerous times. I've just made an analogy, and explained why it's apt. - musubi Jul 2, 14:57 14
        
        Not trying to misrepresent, just misunderstanding. - pmb Jul 2, 15:03 5
        
        The frustration what that I stated this perspective of my analogy numerous times. - musubi Jul 2, 15:06 4
        
        You don't actually expect me to read what you're posting do you? - pmb Jul 2, 15:07 2
        
        The other reason Moose's analogy failed is that... -- nm - David Jul 2, 15:09 1
        
        I am so gonna punch you in the ear someday. - musubi Jul 2, 15:10
        
        "....frustration *was* that...." (nm) - musubi Jul 2, 15:06
        
        Moose, we're being silly. Take a deep breath. It's the Friday before a holiday. Have some fun mocking an awful sport. -- nm - David Jul 2, 14:58 7
        
        Perhaps a smiley would have let me in on the joke. :P - musubi Jul 2, 15:01 5
        
        ACKNOWLEDGE MY ANALOGY!!! - David Jul 2, 15:02 4
        
        It's like all the world is watching national teams playing Wipeout. -- nm - pmb Jul 2, 15:05
        
        "No, it's not. It's apt, APT!!!" - musubi Jul 2, 15:04 2
        
        We use that quote a lot. Of course, we haven't used it as much lately as "Center holds it. HOLDS IT!" -- nm - David Jul 2, 15:06 1
        
        "This will determine once and for all, which is the greatest nation on earth, Brazil or Portugal!" (nm) - musubi Jul 2, 15:11
        
        you'r ider of fun borders closely on the pathologic envious - Danedukenuuk Jul 2, 14:59
        
        you can't make rules for all eventualities of a football game - Danedukenuuk Jul 2, 14:56 2
        
        90% of the time that penalty would have been in and Uruguay would be one man down to make up the deficit (if there had been time). - celedhring Jul 2, 15:03 1
        
        exactly -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jul 2, 15:04
- FWIW, in hockey, a penalty committed on s -- nm - Reagen Jul 2, 14:46 11
  - And that is just the common sense solution about how it should work. I'm frankly stunned FIFA doesn't do that. - David Jul 2, 14:48 4
    - if you had it your way there would be two weeks and the game is not the same i expect - Danedukenuuk Jul 2, 14:50
    - I can tell you that Gary Bettman is feeling *awesome* about himself, watching this WC -- nm - Beryllium Jul 2, 14:49 2
      - They use video replay. They might as well be wizards from the year 3000! -- nm - David Jul 2, 14:50 1
        
        This is what I'm saying. People accuse him of weakening the sport or whatnot, because of expansion/neglect, but at least the game is tight -- nm - Beryllium Jul 2, 14:51
  - ahem. a player shooting at the net when the goalie is pulled is an automatic goal. -- nm - Reagen Jul 2, 14:47 5
    - year well football is a bit more tough sometimes - Danedukenuuk Jul 2, 14:48 4
      - of course, no one's said that, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. -- (link) - Reagen Jul 2, 14:59 [Backboard] 3
        
        you got any links where i agree that a change of the rules is needed? - Danedukenuuk Jul 2, 15:14 2
        
        the point that was being made is that soccer already treats fouls differently depending where they happen on the field - Reagen Jul 2, 15:19 1
        
        the key is not if something happens in your own pen. are or the opponents - Danedukenuuk Jul 2, 15:26
And to be clear, I don't fault the player for taking advantage of the rules. It may not be the purely sporting thing to do, but I agree you see it in - pmb Jul 2, 14:41 2
- It's telling that *both* players were trying to do a handball. They knew to exploit the rules. -- nm - David Jul 2, 14:43 1
  - they ought to since they play this professionally -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jul 2, 14:45

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