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Zogby 10/16 - Obama: 273, McCain: 163, Undecided: 102. Article includes results of battleground state polling. -- (link) - emoticripple Oct 16, 12:29
Tom Cruise is alive (although, i missed the window when he supposedly wasn't though.) -- (link) - Andie Oct 16, 12:28
TT Pop Quiz -- What does EBITDA stand for? -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:28 3
- sorry, ST Pop Quiz, rather... -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:29
- Answer - pmb Oct 16, 12:29
- Earnings before Income taxes, depreciation and amortization -- nm - Beaker Oct 16, 12:28
SITWAP: *loosi signal*: British red squirrels intelligently designing themselves immunity to squirrel pox virus spread by grey squirrels. -- (link) - TaurusII Oct 16, 12:24 4
- that photo is too cute -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 12:27
- nice ... but no intelligent design there. -- nm - loosilu Oct 16, 12:27 2
  - *deet* *deet* *deedeedeedee* *deet* -- nm - sarcasm detector Oct 16, 12:27 1
    - hey, a lot of people really believe that. -- nm - loosilu Oct 16, 12:30
Hee! I found this listing while browsing films at the American Film Market. -- (link) - Dano Go Lucky Oct 16, 12:20 2
- My money's on the squid. -- nm - VMan Oct 16, 12:22 1
  - Does the shark have a laser? -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 12:25
So I'm not who I think I am or what the hell? -- nm - Trish Oct 16, 12:19 13
- ~I find sometimes it�s easy to be myself. Sometimes I find it�s better to be somebody else~ -- nm - Spawn Oct 16, 12:32
- Do you think you're a bitch? -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 12:20 8
  - Not really, but I can fake it really well if you push me. - Trish Oct 16, 12:23 3
    - Won't you think of the children? -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 12:28
    - You want a piece of me? -- nm - D.Mac Oct 16, 12:24 1
      - (spoils) - Beryllium Oct 16, 12:27
  - *clears area, fills with pudding* Kilbo's going mano a mano with Trish! Get your ring-side seats while they last! -- nm - TWuG Oct 16, 12:23
  - Whoa now. Don't go treating her like she's Marcellus Wallace ... cuz you might regret that. Heh. -- nm - Beryllium Oct 16, 12:22 2
    - that's alot of ass to abuse but Trish will do it. -- nm - Mel Profit Oct 16, 12:22
    - I figured it was Qale -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 12:22
- They are who we thought they were! -- nm - ty97 Oct 16, 12:20 2
  - the owls are not what they seem. -- nm - loosilu Oct 16, 12:27
  - "You wanna crown'em! Then crown their asses!" -- nm - Samara Oct 16, 12:27
The best answer to Joe the Plumber when he said he wasn't going to be able to buy his business (where he would make $250-275k) because of the increase - pmb Oct 16, 12:13 18
- *hesitates from punching pumba in the nads for mentioning Joe the Plumber again* - JaxSean Oct 16, 12:18 9
  - Joe the Plumber, Joe the Plumber, Joe the Plumber! - crash davis Oct 16, 12:20 8
    - see, this negates your Picard comment nicely by proving your mental unbalance -- nm - Beaker Oct 16, 12:22 4
      - Course heading 0 degrees by 0 degrees by 0 degrees. *just sits there orbiting* -- nm - Sisko Oct 16, 12:23 3
        
        GAH! DS9 does not orbit! It used to Orbit Bajor! Until they moved it to the wormhole! GAH! -- nm - VMan Oct 16, 12:29
        
        *fights the Dominion, Klingons, Cardassians while Picard gets buttraped by the Borg* -- nm - Beaker Oct 16, 12:24 1
        
        there easy to fight after they've had the smackdown laid on them by the Enterprise -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 12:24
    - You like to get pummeled repeatedly in the nads? Here we differ drastically, thankfully. - evil crash davis Oct 16, 12:21 2
      - I have to call evil's bluff. -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 12:21
      - eff. - evil crash davis Oct 16, 12:21
- I doubt a business bought at 250k would result in taxable income to the owner for 250k. -- nm - tRuMaN Oct 16, 12:18 2
  - From what Joe said, he was looking to buy a business grossing that amount. The asking price would probably be well in excess of that - TWuG Oct 16, 12:22 1
    - maybe, that would be the business loan - tRuMaN Oct 16, 12:27
- I hope you were bobbing your head with attitude while you typed that. - musubi Oct 16, 12:17 2
  - A little bit. -- nm - pmb Oct 16, 12:29
  - he ended with three snaps in a Z -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 12:17
- That would be sweet. -- nm - VMan Oct 16, 12:16
- word -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 12:14
$205,000 offer made -- (link) - ty97 Oct 16, 12:12 7
- septic systems on a canal? what does it smell like in the heat of summer? -- nm - zeitgeist Oct 16, 12:28 1
  - septic is quite common there, and is completely separate from the canal/creek :) -- nm - ty97 Oct 16, 12:29
- 10% below. That's fair. What was the going rate a year ago? -- nm - Mop Oct 16, 12:17 4
  - Oh, and don't let them talk you up. 10% is where the buyer and seller should agree. -- nm - Mop Oct 16, 12:19
  - The house was originally listed at $300,000 last year. - ty97 Oct 16, 12:18 2
    - Ouch. -- nm - Mop Oct 16, 12:20 1
      - If it had been built in 2005, it probably would have been listed at $400,000 or higher. - ty97 Oct 16, 12:20
*burp* I'm full -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 12:07 1
- Well done. Here's the $500. See you next week? -- nm - Greg the Pornographer Oct 16, 12:09
Deadspin on Scoop Jackson's latest "article" plus Jason Whitlock expresss his feelings regarding Scoop -- (link) - Beaker Oct 16, 12:07 1
- I love Whitlock's e-mail. -- nm - TFox Oct 16, 12:21
I honestly don't feel ths slightest bit sorry for anyone who makes over $250,000/yr who might have to pay more in taxes in an Obama administration. - znufrii Oct 16, 12:07 25
- Though I sort of agree, having a father who owns his own business and knowing some of his taxation rates... - TFox Oct 16, 12:19 4
  - does he make more than $250,000 in profit a year from his business? -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:19 3
    - Pretty sure, yes. But by the time he pays all his taxes, and all the taxes on his one employee... - TFox Oct 16, 12:22 2
      - interesting. thanks for the perspective. - znufrii Oct 16, 12:24 1
        
        Oh, don't get me wrong: he makes some money. But he works his ass off for it. And generally, each dollar he earns, he keeps way less of than I do. - TFox Oct 16, 12:29
- I like the argument on Bill Maher's show Friday night. The WSJ pointed at Maher and said "Obama will make YOU pay more taxes". Maher just shrugged. - crash davis Oct 16, 12:18
- FWIW, Republicans/McCain would say that is money you could have used to create more jobs -- nm - con_carne Oct 16, 12:13 1
  - which is a ridiculous argument. if you're using the money to create jobs, paying it out in wages, you're not being taxed on it! -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:15
- I *loved* it last night in the debate when Obama said "Well, I don't mind paying a little more." -- nm - JaxSean Oct 16, 12:11
- especially since it isn't that large of a bump, and the posterchild for the issue currently ISN'T paying the taxes he owes -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Oct 16, 12:10 1
  - yeah, it's far from an onerous increase, mostly just putting things back the way they were before Bush got his grubby hands all over the tax code -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:17
- when they say fuck this and leave and you have to pay more taxes you might -- nm - Beaker Oct 16, 12:10 9
  - With loopholes, the rich don't pay as much in taxes as you might think -- nm - con_carne Oct 16, 12:15 1
    - Nope. Loopholes abound. The marginal and effective tax rates are radically different. The US marginal rate on business may be high, but the - TWuG Oct 16, 12:17
  - So I should pay more taxes to assauge people who make millions? -- nm - ty97 Oct 16, 12:13
  - leave for where? -- nm - Reagen Oct 16, 12:11 5
    - Ireland. Duh. Just you wait til all the lawn care service providers up and leave. Just. You. Wait. -- nm - TWuG Oct 16, 12:12
    - Caymans (ala The Irvings) -- nm - Beaker Oct 16, 12:12 3
      - is there a shortage of plumbers in the Caymans? -- nm - Reagen Oct 16, 12:12 1
        
        Plumber crack is like gold! -- nm - Beaker Oct 16, 12:14
      - but I guess that would be much more than $250K -- nm - Beaker Oct 16, 12:12
- I honestly don't know what I would do with 250k of income a year. -- nm - Reagen Oct 16, 12:09 2
  - I would love to be faced with that particular dilemma. (nm) - musubi Oct 16, 12:19
  - hookers and crack -- nm - zeitgeist Oct 16, 12:13
- Why do you hate America? -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 12:08
TENN has long lines for early voting - zeitgeist Oct 16, 12:05 7
- No lines where I was...and they tried to get me to vote twice. -- nm - David Oct 16, 12:27
- Apparently the early voting in Georgia has been fairly brisk. -- nm - Dano Go Lucky Oct 16, 12:06 5
  - I'm afraid of the answer: Are early votes counted at the same time as regular votes? -- nm - Mop Oct 16, 12:12 3
    - I think it depends on the state. In Ohio early/absentee ballots are not opened or counted until election day. -- nm - TWuG Oct 16, 12:16 1
      - iirc, Florida is like this as well. -- nm - JaxSean Oct 16, 12:17
    - I can't imagine why they wouldn't be. -- nm - Reagen Oct 16, 12:13
  - And some polling suggests that the early voting is seriously favoring Obama. -- (link) - Don Homer Oct 16, 12:10
538 breaks down the current state of the race -- (link) - znufrii Oct 16, 11:56 8
- *splooge* -- nm - Don Homer Oct 16, 12:09
- I like how some pollsters felt that Oregon and Washington were going to be battleground states. - crash davis Oct 16, 12:03 6
  - WA is split, King Co is heavy demo, pierce co (tacoma) is actually the contest zone, the rest of the state is heavy rep -- nm - zeitgeist Oct 16, 12:10 2
    - does the Peoples Republic of Bellingham no longer exist? :) - crash davis Oct 16, 12:13 1
      - canadians flooded in to buy up relatively cheap real estate, now considering ceeding from the US -- nm - zeitgeist Oct 16, 12:18
  - undoubtedly. that's why Gordon Smith is having the trouble he is, even as he tries to grab onto Obama's coattails -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:05 2
    - Gordon Smith is in trouble because my man RC put his foot down and said "enough!" -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 12:06 1
      - wtg, RC! Wpphoo!!! -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:08
any small biz, especially one in construction and home contracting, will be incorp'd and not run as a sole prop if they are making more than 250k - zeitgeist Oct 16, 11:55 24
- Obama wants to tax 250k of the gross business income or the gross income of the owner? -- nm - lileve Oct 16, 11:58 22
  - Look! His site has a FAQ that answers this very question! -- (link) - TWuG Oct 16, 12:02 7
    - Nice, thanks. -- nm - lileve Oct 16, 12:05
    - but Obama is wrong. gross things should be taxed - I'd like to tax people who fart in elevators -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 12:04 5
      - Tax fat cats so we can feed poor cats in humane shelters -- nm - zeitgeist Oct 16, 12:06
      - He views that as a matter for the courts, not the IRS. Elevator Farters would be subject to civil penalties on par with parking in a handicap space - TWuG Oct 16, 12:06 3
        
        but taking it out of taxes and putting back into civil would make it a matter for states, and some states would let elevator farters get away with it -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 12:08 2
        
        wonders what the handicapped pass would look like, (the ones issued to gastrically challenged people) - zeitgeist Oct 16, 12:12
        
        Not so. States refusing to regulate EFs would lose Federal Elevator Funds. -- nm - TWuG Oct 16, 12:11
  - taxes are paid on income after deductions which includes all your expenses like materials, overhead, advertising, employees pay/benes so yeah, its net - zeitgeist Oct 16, 12:01
  - I am sure it is always net income. -- nm - not2fast Oct 16, 12:01
  - You don't tax gross income. Obama hasn't proposed anything like that. -- nm - pmb Oct 16, 12:00 11
    - What does we want to tax. Net profit then? Of the business or the owner? -- nm - lileve Oct 16, 12:02 10
      - It's always net income and whether it is the business or owner depends on how the business is formed. - pmb Oct 16, 12:05 8
        
        How about incorporations? -- nm - lileve Oct 16, 12:06 7
        
        There are S corporations and C corporations and I described them above. -- nm - pmb Oct 16, 12:07 6
        
        never heard them refered that way sorry. -- nm - lileve Oct 16, 12:09 5
        
        P.S.: Thanks for making it into place english. I'm going need to know this info when I start my own biz. But thats not for a while. -- nm - lileve Oct 16, 12:09 4
        
        what kind of business are you looking to start? if you'll indulge my curiosity... -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:11 3
        
        Advertising and Graphic Design Firm. It will be years though. -- nm - lileve Oct 16, 12:16 2
        
        good luck to you if and when if finally happens! -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:19 1
        
        Thanks! -- nm - lileve Oct 16, 12:20
      - that would depend on the type of bussiness - tRuMaN Oct 16, 12:05
- LLC Gives the same protection in certain states [EG Michigan] -- nm - Scorpion Oct 16, 11:57
�Almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.� - Joe the Plumber Oct 16, 11:55 5
- I have a feeling, by Monday, McCain will be wishing he didn't bring this guy into the race. -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Oct 16, 11:59 1
  - *makes a space for Joe in the "not helping" file* -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:00
- Why not? Sammy was the sh!t. -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 11:55 2
  - It seemed a gratuitous "look how clever I am as I betray my racial bias" comment. -- nm - TWuG Oct 16, 12:00 1
    - well, yeah... -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 12:00
There really should be very little difference between the small business owner's income and the net income of the business. - pmb Oct 16, 11:54 5
- theoretically, I'd agree. In reality, I've seen what is actually income get passed off to other categories due to loopholes -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 11:58 2
  - Some people run some personal expenses through the business (to the extent they can show a business purpose). - pmb Oct 16, 12:03 1
    - I agree wholeheartedly with your IM. I was just saying that in my anecdotal experience, the 250K threshold will actually be a higher number than 250K -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 12:05
- but usually the owner would draw a salary -- nm - zeitgeist Oct 16, 11:56 1
  - It doesn't matter. - pmb Oct 16, 11:58
the edgar martinez argument? what is this, tt's greatest hits?.....nm - x Oct 16, 11:52 1
- next up, I ask you to say "bubble" -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 11:53
I *wish* I had a small business where I made $250,000/year -- nm - znufrii Oct 16, 11:50 5
- if you had a good accountant, you'd have to make a lot more than 250K to be seen as making 250K -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 11:52 1
  - *flexes effective tax rate of 5% -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 11:53
- There's irony in that McCain wants you to hire people and make jobs, but making those hires would keep you within the $250K threshold -- nm - con_carne Oct 16, 11:52
- that's what you get for wasting your time on message boards -- nm - steve1114 Oct 16, 11:51 1
  - ding -- nm - zeitgeist Oct 16, 11:57
"How very Office Space" is killing me :) -- nm - crash davis Oct 16, 11:49
What about Greg the pornographer? -- nm - con_carne Oct 16, 11:48 2
- He'll make sure things are spread as well. -- nm - HdnAgnda Oct 16, 11:56
- He will pay more in taxes. Sad, but true. -- nm - VMan Oct 16, 11:51
Word. -- nm - Jim Oct 16, 11:46 1
- D.Mac? -- nm - kilboooo Oct 16, 11:47

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