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Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Excessive carbon dioxide is. There's no doubt the Earth has excessive amounts of CO2. -- nm

Posted by nubby Jul 16 '10, 14:21

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/gives you the finger - Plants Jul 16, 14:23 42
- Man-made CO2 pollution has been shown to have raised the pH of ocean water, causing a depletion of sea life population. - nubby Jul 16, 14:25 41
  - Ah! Well then, I concede. - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 14:29 39
    - Well, to be fair, I didn't call you a name. This time. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 14:41 1
      - Very true. That wasn't intended to be regarding you specifically. :) -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 14:43
    - Too late, I answered my own question. :) -- (link) - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 14:38 35
      - There are bacteria that eat oil, I'm sure they're having a heyday in the gulf. - Beryllium Jul 16, 14:47 34
        
        Earth finds a way to balance itself. - Danedukenuuk Jul 16, 15:17
        
        or they would be, if they had a bacteria news service to tell them where to go. -- nm - loosilu Jul 16, 14:56 2
        
        oh, do they not occur naturally in the ocean? Hrm. I have been gravely misinformed! -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 14:57 1
        
        I'm very curious about it now. It seems the bacteria live in the oil itself (which makes sense). -- (link) - loosilu Jul 16, 14:59
        
        ~ it's the ciiiiiiiirrrrcle of liiiiife ~ - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 14:52 29
        
        So the strategy is to deny it's happening, until it's too late, and then say, well, there's nothing we can do about it? Cool. -- nm - mara Jul 16, 15:00 13
        
        Next time your car starts making funny noises, just pop the hood and start pulling wires and turning bolts based on your own intuition. - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:12 12
        
        How are we pulling wires blindly when it comes to the environment? It seems the concensus is let's try to pollute a little less - Guigue Jul 16, 15:29 6
        
        I'm all for cleaner cars. I'm as annoyed by 8mpg Hummers as anyone. - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:35 4
        
        when did anyone in this conversation say anything about cap-and-trade or kyoto? So far as I know, the only thing close to that was taxation. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 15:36 1
        
        (I said "taxation and de-incentivizing pollution" - cap and trade aims to incentivize non-pollution, which is different.) -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 15:37
        
        so, you are happy to use intuition as a guideline. -- nm - loosilu Jul 16, 15:36 1
        
        Wrong again. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:44
        
        yeah, the logical point is that we're pulling wires by polluting, not by trying to stop polluting -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 15:32
        
        Yeah, that's an apt analogy. All our climate data is basically just intuition. -- nm - mara Jul 16, 15:14 2
        
        Considering the billions of years of planetary history it fails to encompass, yes. Pretty much. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:16 1
        
        climate research is a wider field then mere temperature gathering -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jul 16, 15:18
        
        Your strategy is to ignore the noises and act surprised when the car breaks down. -- nm - loosilu Jul 16, 15:14 1
        
        No. - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:29
        
        It depends what you mean by "balance" and "compensating." It might mean that entire ecosystems are changed forever. - loosilu Jul 16, 14:57 13
        
        I think it's the height of arrogance to pretend to know what's "too fast and too often". -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:01 12
        
        we can easily predict the mons position for the next million of years, and even all known objects in ouer own solar system - Danedukenuuk Jul 16, 15:22 1
        
        Okay, I concede. If the moon starts orbiting the Earth hourly, I will agree that's 'too fast'. :) - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:26
        
        There are many measurable effects we can easily observe, such as negative effects (or flat out extinction) of plants and animals. -- nm - loosilu Jul 16, 15:06 5
        
        What, pray tell, is the proper speed of ecosystem change? -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:10 4
        
        one that does not cause permanent negative effects. - loosilu Jul 16, 15:12 3
        
        You'd better inform Mother Nature that she's not playing by your rules. - Dr.Vermin Jul 16, 15:15 2
        
        countless - Danedukenuuk Jul 16, 15:24
        
        this is what I'm not gonna play. -- nm - loosilu Jul 16, 15:16
        
        Well, if *we* weren't pouring dioxins and CO2 into the environment, I doubt the antelope would be. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 15:02 3
        
        (Hmm, on second thought, they do fart a lot.) -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 15:06 2
        
        They fart dioxins? -- nm - loosilu Jul 16, 15:07 1
        
        well, *now* they do. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 16, 15:07
        
        Yeah, but then again you're a complete nincompoop. -- nm - nubby Jul 16, 14:53
    - *triple take* -- nm - loosilu Jul 16, 14:30
  - Strong enough for a man, too strong for mermaids. -- nm - Max Jul 16, 14:25
it's natural! -- nm - chuckles Jul 16, 14:22 1
- "It's not illegal!" -- nm - Max Jul 16, 14:24

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