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Arizona was once tolerant of illegal immigrants. What happened? -- (link)

Posted by con_carne Aug 2 '10, 09:55

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-immigration-20100802,0,3367700.story (www.latimes.com)

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I believe that it's money. AZ pays to carry people's expenses for... - OAE Aug 2, 10:22
I'm trying to reconcile "Phoenix is one of the safest cities in the nation" with it also having the 2nd highest kidnapping rate in the world. - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:00 22
- That's a great source there. -- nm - mara Aug 2, 10:05
- The answer is that the second thing isn't true. -- (link) - Reagen Aug 2, 10:02 20
  - Okay, withdrawing the ranking claim, can we agree that hundreds of kidnappings a year doesn't sound especially safe? -- (link) - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:08 16
    - The article is presenting it as crime hasn't increased in the intervening time from when illegals started flooding in. - Will Hunting Aug 2, 10:31
    - Those are 2003 numbers. There were 139 homicides in 2009. -- nm - mara Aug 2, 10:27 1
      - Yes, but 114 were by Mexicans. -- nm - TFox Aug 2, 10:28
    - Don't almost all cities have crime rates above the national average? - TFox Aug 2, 10:17 6
      - Well, about half. -- nm - Ender Aug 2, 10:20 5
        
        How about if we insert the word "large" before the word "cities"? -- nm - mara Aug 2, 10:23
        
        What I'm saying is, check out the "cities". -- (link) - TFox Aug 2, 10:22
        
        I know what you're getting at, but you're forgetting about rural areas. - Reagen Aug 2, 10:21 2
        
        I was surprised to see Fairbanks so high on this list. -- (link) - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:23
        
        Boss Hogg alone must have kidnapped hundreds of pesky folks poking their noses in his business -- nm - chuckles Aug 2, 10:23
    - Sure, but this point gets barely a mention in the article. Why do you think it matters so much whether someone calls the city safe/not safe? -- nm - con_carne Aug 2, 10:14 5
      - Because I think it's the main catalyst in the support for state enforcement immigration laws. - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:19 4
        
        Not disagreeing with you, but I think the reason that "theory" exists is that it gets put into the debate repeatedly by anti-immigration advocates who - con_carne Aug 2, 10:28 3
        
        (Geez, I had to work to find civilized words to describe these people. :-P Still, it's not like you have to work hard to find folks like this.) -- nm - con_carne Aug 2, 10:37
        
        That sounds fair enough. - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:37 1
        
        the distinction to make is in separating the root of the idea, from the environment that allows it to flourish. -- nm - znufrii Aug 2, 11:00
  - But what this thread presupposes is... what if it was? -- nm - TFox Aug 2, 10:08 2
    - Which reminds me, I should rewatch The Royal Tennembaums. I wonder if it holds up. - musubi Aug 2, 10:10 1
      - I bet it still would, esp. if you haven't forced yourself to sit through the 4-5 clones of it he's made since. - TFox Aug 2, 10:12

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