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In response to "Arizona was once tolerant of illegal immigrants. What happened? -- (link)" by con_carne

I'm trying to reconcile "Phoenix is one of the safest cities in the nation" with it also having the 2nd highest kidnapping rate in the world.

Posted by Dr.Vermin (aka Dr.Vermin) Aug 2 '10, 10:00

I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle, but I'm not sure where...

http://www.drugaddictiontreatment.com/addiction-news/drug-crimes/phoenix-number-two-kidnapping-capital-as-drug-cartel-wars-intensify/ (www.drugaddictiontreatment.com)

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That's a great source there. -- nm - mara Aug 2, 10:05
The answer is that the second thing isn't true. -- (link) - Reagen Aug 2, 10:02 20
- Okay, withdrawing the ranking claim, can we agree that hundreds of kidnappings a year doesn't sound especially safe? -- (link) - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:08 16
  - The article is presenting it as crime hasn't increased in the intervening time from when illegals started flooding in. - Will Hunting Aug 2, 10:31
  - Those are 2003 numbers. There were 139 homicides in 2009. -- nm - mara Aug 2, 10:27 1
    - Yes, but 114 were by Mexicans. -- nm - TFox Aug 2, 10:28
  - Don't almost all cities have crime rates above the national average? - TFox Aug 2, 10:17 6
    - Well, about half. -- nm - Ender Aug 2, 10:20 5
      - How about if we insert the word "large" before the word "cities"? -- nm - mara Aug 2, 10:23
      - What I'm saying is, check out the "cities". -- (link) - TFox Aug 2, 10:22
      - I know what you're getting at, but you're forgetting about rural areas. - Reagen Aug 2, 10:21 2
        
        I was surprised to see Fairbanks so high on this list. -- (link) - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:23
        
        Boss Hogg alone must have kidnapped hundreds of pesky folks poking their noses in his business -- nm - chuckles Aug 2, 10:23
  - Sure, but this point gets barely a mention in the article. Why do you think it matters so much whether someone calls the city safe/not safe? -- nm - con_carne Aug 2, 10:14 5
    - Because I think it's the main catalyst in the support for state enforcement immigration laws. - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:19 4
      - Not disagreeing with you, but I think the reason that "theory" exists is that it gets put into the debate repeatedly by anti-immigration advocates who - con_carne Aug 2, 10:28 3
        
        (Geez, I had to work to find civilized words to describe these people. :-P Still, it's not like you have to work hard to find folks like this.) -- nm - con_carne Aug 2, 10:37
        
        That sounds fair enough. - Dr.Vermin Aug 2, 10:37 1
        
        the distinction to make is in separating the root of the idea, from the environment that allows it to flourish. -- nm - znufrii Aug 2, 11:00
- But what this thread presupposes is... what if it was? -- nm - TFox Aug 2, 10:08 2
  - Which reminds me, I should rewatch The Royal Tennembaums. I wonder if it holds up. - musubi Aug 2, 10:10 1
    - I bet it still would, esp. if you haven't forced yourself to sit through the 4-5 clones of it he's made since. - TFox Aug 2, 10:12

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