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In response to "Anesthesiologist starting to get worried.. New study shows that nurse anesthetists don't need to be supervision by physicians." by James Bond (aka Igor)

I thought annesthesia was the main reason patients died on the table, each person is more complicated than mere sex and #lbs of meat -- nm

Posted by zeitgeist Aug 3 '10, 16:04

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Indeed. But silly to assume that safety is more important than money to the hospital. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Aug 3, 16:08 17
- clearly, both safety and money are very important. if everyone always wanted the safest option in all instances, no one would ever complain about cost - TFox Aug 3, 16:26 13
  - Yeah, but like loosilu said, there are some places you don't want to go cheap. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Aug 3, 16:28 12
    - how many people have been killed by nurse anesthesiologists compared to doctors? - TFox Aug 3, 16:33 1
      - I haven't seen a study that shows that. I think there is limited data since not that many states have CRNA working without supervision. - James Bond (aka Igor) Aug 3, 16:37
    - I think anyone who's worked any job ever can attest that having someone stand over your shoulder is not always productive. - Dr.Vermin Aug 3, 16:32 9
      - that's not the point, IMO. The anesthesiologist literally holds the patient's life in their hands. I want that person to be a doc. -- nm - loosilu Aug 3, 16:41 8
        
        Utterly meaningless if the results are the same. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 3, 16:52 7
        
        Past performance does not guarantee future results. When talking about human life, people like their chances to be as good as possible. -- nm - mara Aug 3, 16:54 6
        
        as long as its free. -- nm - TFox Aug 3, 16:57 2
        
        I don't want my brain surgeon, my heart surgeon, or my anesthesiologist to be free. -- nm - loosilu Aug 3, 17:03 1
        
        hehe, word. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Aug 3, 17:14
        
        Yeah, when you start catering to feelings over facts, that's when the unnecessary costs go up. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 3, 16:56 2
        
        The study is not very convincing, factually. -- nm - loosilu Aug 3, 17:02 1
        
        Not when you're stubbornly & superficially stuck on "doctors trump nurses, period." -- nm - Dr.Vermin Aug 3, 17:47
- (Well, the insurance companies and gov't are more to blame. The less they reimburse for services, the more the hospital will try to cut corners) -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Aug 3, 16:10 2
  - how is it possible that providers and hospitals have no fault in driving up the cost of healthcare? -- nm - TFox Aug 3, 16:16 1
    - I think a big increase is because of the technology available. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Aug 3, 16:23

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