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groiny: Wins are a crap stat, and you know that. (nm)

Posted by musubi Aug 13 '10, 12:52

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and your basis of Cahill being less than Liriano is based on the strikeout? - groiny Aug 13, 12:53 10
- Popups are almost equivalent to Ks. But Cahill isn't getting a ton of popups, he's getting a ton of gound balls. - musubi Aug 13, 12:57 9
  - one half a runner per inning less makes up a lot of ground. - groiny Aug 13, 12:59 8
    - If the question is: Are Cahill and Liriano both good pitchers? The answer is yes. - musubi Aug 13, 13:03 7
      - for 2010, you would be wrong. - groiny Aug 13, 13:07 6
        
        Who had better results? Cahill. Who was better? Liriano. (nm) - musubi Aug 13, 13:11 5
        
        seriously, you were on my side on the Value of Adam Dunn, correct? - groiny Aug 13, 13:14 4
        
        Not really. A pitcher's job is to stop any runners. A strikeout gives you basically a 0 EV of bases. - Will Hunting Aug 13, 13:20 1
        
        no, it is putting the value in the ON BASE, and not in the whiffs. - groiny Aug 13, 13:22
        
        No it's not. Pitching is different from hitting. Pitchers rely on defense to get outs. Hitter rely only on themselves to hit the ball. - musubi Aug 13, 13:16 1
        
        you are ignoring the on base to concentrate on whiffs and HR allowed. - groiny Aug 13, 13:20
Lets not get too adamant about this -- nm - Cy Young Aug 13, 12:52 2
- You've got your record and a award named after you, just be happy. (nm) - musubi Aug 13, 13:05 1
  - although, for a pitcher like Lee who pitched for the teamwith the worst record in baseball.... - groiny Aug 13, 13:09
yes, I do, but when discussing "best pitcher" they have to factor in somewhere. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 13, 12:52 9
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  - although, i'll through this out there: if you're talking "best pitcher", then that has to account for results, not expected future performance. - TFox Aug 13, 12:59 4
    - That's a fair point. Forward vs backward looking makes a difference. (nm) - musubi Aug 13, 13:05
    - this is pretty much my point, spoken a bit better. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 13, 13:00 2
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        Sure, I love to debate baseball shit, regardless. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 13, 13:02
  - point taken, but other than whiffs, where is Liriano better than Cahill? - groiny Aug 13, 12:55 2
    - Preventing HRs. Cahills been good at it, Liriano's been *great* at it. (nm) - musubi Aug 13, 13:01 1
      - I have never heard this used for a pitchers effectiveness. - groiny Aug 13, 13:07

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