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In response to "groiny: Wins are a crap stat, and you know that. (nm)" by musubi

and your basis of Cahill being less than Liriano is based on the strikeout?

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Aug 13 '10, 12:53

that Liriano gets more swings and misses? Pop ups count for the same # of outs as whiffs do.

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Popups are almost equivalent to Ks. But Cahill isn't getting a ton of popups, he's getting a ton of gound balls. - musubi Aug 13, 12:57 9
- one half a runner per inning less makes up a lot of ground. - groiny Aug 13, 12:59 8
  - If the question is: Are Cahill and Liriano both good pitchers? The answer is yes. - musubi Aug 13, 13:03 7
    - for 2010, you would be wrong. - groiny Aug 13, 13:07 6
      - Who had better results? Cahill. Who was better? Liriano. (nm) - musubi Aug 13, 13:11 5
        
        seriously, you were on my side on the Value of Adam Dunn, correct? - groiny Aug 13, 13:14 4
        
        Not really. A pitcher's job is to stop any runners. A strikeout gives you basically a 0 EV of bases. - Will Hunting Aug 13, 13:20 1
        
        no, it is putting the value in the ON BASE, and not in the whiffs. - groiny Aug 13, 13:22
        
        No it's not. Pitching is different from hitting. Pitchers rely on defense to get outs. Hitter rely only on themselves to hit the ball. - musubi Aug 13, 13:16 1
        
        you are ignoring the on base to concentrate on whiffs and HR allowed. - groiny Aug 13, 13:20

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