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define "lots". i think if a coke addict stops doing coke, but drinks and smokes some, then sure, they can be "clean".

Posted by TFox Aug 30 '10, 12:26

if they're smoking daily, then no, but those are two very different animals.

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I'd have to say if someone is just doing lots of pot and alcohol, then they're "clean" - Loyola Aug 30, 12:42
Not "clean" without context, no. -- nm - Dr.Vermin also unclean Aug 30, 12:30
How many orgies can a sex addict cut down to in order to qualify as recovering? -- nm - David Aug 30, 12:27 2
- 2 -- nm - David Duchovny Aug 30, 12:28 1
  - Oh, well played. -- nm - David Aug 30, 12:29
if they are addicts, they are not clean. they are using -- nm - milky Aug 30, 12:27 17
- sure, but they aren't pot addicts. they're coke addicts. and lots of people can drink or smoke without being addicted to either. -- nm - TFox Aug 30, 12:28 16
  - addicts find their drug, be it coke, pot, alcohol. it's a pattern of behavior used as a defense mechanism to their psychological problems - milky Aug 30, 12:30 10
    - I've noticed on shows like Intervention that a lot of recovering addicts still smoke tobacco. I guess that doesn't count? -- nm - loosilu Aug 30, 12:32 5
      - they're pretty much giving up enough already... - znufrii Aug 30, 12:34
      - in my mind it probably still counts to some degree but if that's the worst you can get them down to, you probably take it - milky Aug 30, 12:34 1
        
        my only point is, the draw of coke is closer to the draw of nicotine than the escapism of alcoholism and marijuana. - TFox Aug 30, 12:37
      - As I said on B2, legal vs illegal. -- nm - Spawn Aug 30, 12:34 1
        
        but they aren't considered "clean" if they still drink. -- nm - loosilu Aug 30, 12:34
    - i think that overgeneralizes the addict. that's not everyone. -- nm - TFox Aug 30, 12:31 3
      - someone with that behavior pattern usually can't use anything recreationally. -- nm - loosilu Aug 30, 12:33
      - everyone else is not an "addict" if they can (and i do believe many can) use recreationally -- nm - milky Aug 30, 12:32
      - I think it is more that you are undergeneralizing. It *is* most. -- nm - Spawn Aug 30, 12:32
  - They are still using it as a crutch to take the place of the other. -- nm - Spawn Aug 30, 12:29 4
    - Maybe. Maybe not. Like I said, it depends on the volume of the usage (to me). -- nm - TFox Aug 30, 12:30 3
      - Let's say, every day, afterwork/5 days a week -- nm - flavorize Aug 30, 12:33 2
        
        with addicts, it's as much about the "why" of the usage as it is about the "how much" - milky Aug 30, 12:36
        
        What about weekends? If theya re not doing it on weekends, then they may be clean. -- nm - Spawn Aug 30, 12:34

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define "lots". i think if a coke addict stops doing coke, but drinks and smokes some, then sure, they can be "clean".

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