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In response to "I had forgotten they stopped. If there's a formula, it doesn't seem like people use it. You can always count on the organizers inflating the number. -- nm" by loosilu

er, I mean, you can always count on organizers/supporters to give the highest estimate, oppoenents to give the lowest estimate,

and "neutral" parties to land somewhere in the middle. Doesn't sound like anyone is using an unbiased counting method.

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