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LIR: mara. Obama is clueless about doctor's roles and physician reimbursement.

Posted by James Bond (aka Igor) (aka Igor) Oct 19 '10, 20:21

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/16/surgeons-challenge-obamas-50k-amputation-claim-media-mum (Possibly NSFW) (newsbusters.org)

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*snort* did someone really mark this site NSFW? -- nm - Stephen Oct 19, 21:10 2
- *shrug* - znufrii Oct 19, 21:16
- Someone must not have liked the idea of Obama playing doctor. -- nm - Qale Oct 19, 21:15
? didn't the healthcare proposal have a limit on mal practice claims? that would save soooo much on insurance costs - zeitgeist Oct 19, 20:37 18
- I believe that got taken out. Trial lawyers are good. And yes, starts cutting their salaries. Shouldn't they work for free, they get to protect the - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:40 17
  - they do work for free (unless they win the case) -- nm - hachiko Oct 19, 20:42 16
    - Maybe doctors should only get paid if they cure you. -- nm - Dano Oct 19, 20:44 1
      - Do they have to pay less and less with each misdiagnosis, because that's going to be a problem for Dr. House. -- nm - Qale Oct 19, 21:16
    - I see a ton of them asking for retainers. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:43 13
      - that's not how contingent fee cases work - hachiko Oct 19, 20:45 12
        
        I don't know... but recently my mom sued her landlord over her lease. The lawyer wanted a check before he started anything. - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:48 11
        
        That must have been a really bad lease. Did it say murdering the tenants was ok? -- nm - TFox Oct 19, 20:49
        
        breach of contract cases are not typically handled on a contingent basis -- nm - hachiko Oct 19, 20:49 9
        
        So you don't get payment up front if you represent a person in a criminal case? - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:52 8
        
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        in criminal cases, absolutely - hachiko Oct 19, 20:53 6
        
        I see your point. I have two arguments to counter. But I really don't want to get into that now. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:59 5
        
        (at least three more mansion and Bugatti catalogs to leaf through before bed.) -- nm - TFox Oct 19, 20:59 4
        
        Actually.. I have to read about Arterial Blood Gas so that I can save your life one day. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 21:01 3
        
        like i said, blog. people would enjoy your perspective. -- nm - TFox Oct 19, 21:05
        
        (if you can pay, TFox) -- nm - hachiko Oct 19, 21:03
        
        Is there a special residency program for smugness? -- nm - Reagen Oct 19, 21:03
It must be nice. - nubby Oct 19, 20:33 8
- It took you 9 years to finish your PhD? Sorry about that. - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:36 7
  - it's not unusual at all. -- nm - loosilu Oct 19, 20:43 6
    - Well that really blows. From my understand most of the PhDs at my undergrad finished in 5 years. I would hate to be doing a PhD for 9 years. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:49 5
      - it varies wildly according to the field and the specific program, and it matters if you have your master's yet or not. -- nm - loosilu Oct 19, 21:08
      - my dad got his masters in one (Toronto) and his phd in four (Cambridge) (in engineering science, geophysics option) -- nm - zork Oct 19, 21:04 3
        
        outside the US it tends to be much more structured. -- nm - loosilu Oct 19, 21:07 2
        
        he also started university at 16 at a time when we had grade 13 here (avg. was 19), so he had the phd at 23. -- nm - zork Oct 19, 21:15 1
        
        that's freakishly rare in the US. the first in my cohort of 25 PhD students was 28 when she finished. She was a year ahead of everyone else. - loosilu Oct 19, 21:21
so am I -- nm - Sharron Engle Oct 19, 20:32
you do realize that if all the doctors make all the money they used to make, then the cost of healthcare never drops, right? - TFox Oct 19, 20:27 5
- You do realize that doctor's pay is not where the cost is. It is all the test/imaging and everything else. - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:33 1
  - I realize that's not the *only* place the cost is, sure. Likely better than you do. -- nm - TFox Oct 19, 20:35
- complaining that socialized medicine doesn't pay them enough is . . . something -- nm - hachiko Oct 19, 20:30
- The Mayo Clinic simply has its doctors on salary -- they don't get paid for individual procedures. Seems to work fairly well. -- nm - mara Oct 19, 20:29 1
  - Oh, don't get me wrong, there's plenty of ways to do it effectively and its a complex issue. - TFox Oct 19, 20:34
no bias at that site *at all* - hachiko Oct 19, 20:25 16
- Implying that doctors ignore treating the disease so they can make the big bucks amputating instead is a special level of ignorant. - Stephen Oct 19, 20:38 4
  - ::opens st, skims, sees this:: I'm not reading anything else here; but if someone said that, it's idiotic. (share.) - b! Oct 19, 21:16 3
    - That's horrible, i'm very sorry to hear that. -- nm - Stephen Oct 19, 21:23
    - i'm really sorry to hear that. -- nm - TFox Oct 19, 21:18 1
      - thank you. -- nm - b! Oct 19, 21:21
- This is the first site that google showed with this video. I am not looking at the commentary. I am going - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:30 8
  - i have no idea. i'm not a surgeon. if he meant only the surgeon him/herself gets the whole $30k reimbursement, maybe. how much does the entire - hachiko Oct 19, 20:33 7
    - My interpretation of that quote is that the surgeon gets $30-50k for the amputation. Which is extremely false. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:38 6
      - my interpretation of the American College of Surgeon's quote is that an amputation only costs the patient $740-$1,140. no fucking way that's true -- nm - hachiko Oct 19, 20:40 5
        
        I understand that you have better read comprehension skills than me. But where do you see anything about it costing the patient? - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:45 3
        
        again, answer the question: how much does an entire hospital stay for an amputation cost, start to finish? -- nm - hachiko Oct 19, 20:47 2
        
        Don't know. I will tell you next year. I am assuming our interpretations of his statement are different. -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Oct 19, 20:56
        
        The patient should just do it himself like James Franco. -- nm - Dano Oct 19, 20:49
        
        but who gives a shit about them? -- nm - TFox Oct 19, 20:41
- Are you suggesting they misquoted the American College of Surgeons statement? -- nm - Ender Oct 19, 20:30
- Are you sure? I mean yah the subtitle for the site is "Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias" but that's probably just the WordPress template! -- nm - Qale Oct 19, 20:27

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