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Just checking but I am going to guess 80-90% of ST think the new TSA security measures are violating 4th amendment?

Posted by Capstern Nov 16 '10, 09:12

I have a position on this but curious as to whats being said or has been said here lately - since I havent been able to be around

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*has to go look it up* No, I don't think so. -- nm - con_carne Nov 16, 09:21
"Seize this, honkus!" -- nm - Josephus Nov 16, 09:17
borderline, imho. - znufrii Nov 16, 09:16
Nope. -- nm - JaxSean Nov 16, 09:14 4
- Holy crap I am somehow with the majority of ST for like the first time ever (or so it looks so far) -- nm - Capstern Nov 16, 09:16 3
  - i don't think ST supports it. but it's not a 4th Amendment violation -- nm - mr. pin Nov 16, 09:16 2
    - Hey, if it makes people made it's *gotta* be illegal. -- nm - Max Nov 16, 09:18 1
      - mad. or mafia. still illegal. -- nm - Max Nov 16, 09:18
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I don't think they violate anything. -- nm - decline Nov 16, 09:14
The 4th? No. -- nm - Spawn Nov 16, 09:13 30
- Interesting that most of the people I know are screaming they think this is a violation of the 4th amednement or just - Capstern Nov 16, 09:15 29
  - I think many of these peoples' opinions would change if a Republican were in the White House -- nm - con_carne Nov 16, 09:28
  - Suggest to those people that they turn off their TVs, and to stop screaming about meaningless bullshit. -- nm - JaxSean Nov 16, 09:16 7
    - someone patting me down or looking under my clothes is not meaningless bullshit. -- nm - loosilu Nov 16, 09:26 6
      - Then don't fly. -- nm - JaxSean Nov 16, 09:29 3
        
        stupid answer. Flying is necessary in the modern world. -- nm - loosilu Nov 16, 09:30 2
        
        Then spread 'em. I don't want you blowing up a plane with stuff strapped to your hoo-ha. -- nm - JaxSean Nov 16, 09:32 1
        
        should I get in stirrups? it's necessary for security! -- nm - loosilu Nov 16, 09:36
      - at my home that is foreplay -- nm - dogbert Nov 16, 09:28 1
        
        I'm starting to understand why you went home alone. -- nm - loosilu Nov 16, 09:29
  - I wonder how many of them have read that document. -- nm - ty97 Nov 16, 09:16 19
    - a very good question. I had old school education where I had to read all that stuff - Capstern Nov 16, 09:18 18
      - Well...You do live in Texas. -- nm - JaxSean Nov 16, 09:18 17
        
        Oddly you would think the people here I deal with would be ok with this - it - Capstern Nov 16, 09:21 16
        
        having a choice to opt out of a search by refusing to fly does not in and of itself make the search "reasonable" - znufrii Nov 16, 09:29
        
        People just like to scream. It's the cost of flying in a post-9/11 era, plain and simple. - JaxSean Nov 16, 09:23 12
        
        And herein lies the crux of the argument. Is this *really* securing us, or is it wasteful security theatre? -- nm - ty97 Nov 16, 09:25 6
        
        This seems a lot better than the old "take off your shoes" stuff. - Ender Nov 16, 09:31
        
        I thought that article someone linked yesterday about the Israeli method was telling. There are definitely better ways to do - decline Nov 16, 09:28 1
        
        A friend pointed out that the Isreali method would be difficult to scale to the size of the US. - ty97 Nov 16, 09:29
        
        Either way, it boils down to the terrorists win. - JaxSean Nov 16, 09:27 2
        
        Why does it have to be one or the other. How about having smarter security and efficient security and stuff that isn't wasteful fear bullcrap. -- nm - Don Homer Nov 16, 09:29
        
        It's not a binary situation. There's a C option: Use different method to secure us. -- nm - ty97 Nov 16, 09:28
        
        Anal search! It's ok though; it's the cost of flying. -- nm - Don Homer Nov 16, 09:24 4
        
        If you don't like it, then you don't fly. Drive instead. -- nm - JaxSean Nov 16, 09:25 3
        
        I won't if I can help it. -- nm - Don Homer Nov 16, 09:29
        
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        Boats! Just take a cruise! -- nm - Splendor passenger Nov 16, 09:29
        
        Texas (historically) tends to have libertarian conservative leanings. The neo-religious conservative takeover is more recent. - ty97 Nov 16, 09:23
        
        you're surprised Texans don't like it, really? -- nm - loosilu Nov 16, 09:23
violate the 4th amendment? nope -- nm - mr. pin Nov 16, 09:13

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