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Ender, why wouldn't you count gun suicides? (nm)

Posted by musubi Jan 13 '11, 11:08

just wondering.

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Just because it's self-inflicted and thus consenual. - Ender Jan 13, 11:21 18
- Ok, I guess I understand that, though I don't think it's quite an apt comparison. - musubi Jan 13, 11:26 9
  - Sure there is, target practice, competitive shooting, etc. -- nm - Stephen Jan 13, 11:33 8
    - so target practice and competitive shooting -- nm - hell comes to pittsburgh Jan 13, 11:37 5
      - Skeet shooting, hunting (non-lethal to humans) (nm) - Stephen Jan 13, 11:40 1
        
        That guy lived! -- nm - David Jan 13, 11:49
      - And the former is really practice for the latter. - musubi Jan 13, 11:39 2
        
        Just because you don't understand it as such doesn't mean that it's not a form of entertainment to some. - Stephen Jan 13, 11:44 1
        
        I understand it fine, thanks. - musubi Jan 13, 11:48
    - That's not a "practical use", that's a "I can't shoot people or animals, so I'll shoot things" use. -- nm - TWuG Jan 13, 11:36
    - Or should it have been, sure there are? -- nm - Stephen Jan 13, 11:34
- So if a mental illness causes Jared to kill me, it should be counted; but if a mental illness causes him to kill himself, it shouldn't be. -- nm - mara Jan 13, 11:23 6
  - Depends what kind of discussion you're having... -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:27 5
    - ... A discussion about the number of gun deaths. -- nm - mara Jan 13, 11:28 4
      - You've lost me, I'm not sure how the "mental illness" part factors in here. -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:31 3
        
        If you have a mental illness and you kill yourself, is it consensual? -- nm - Roger More Jan 13, 11:33 2
        
        I suppose it would depend how many of your multiple personalities are in agreement. - Ender Jan 13, 11:44 1
        
        The gray area is smaller than that. Not many people argue that insane people are not responsible for their decisions. - Roger More Jan 13, 11:56
- (Bah, one of those percent signs should have been an "mph", I'll let you guess which one.) -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:22
Gun suicides? Guns don't kills guns, Moose. People do. -- nm - Inigo Jan 13, 11:14 4
- how would they pull their own trigger? - zork Jan 13, 11:16 3
  - That's where Courtney Love enters the picture... -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:23
  - They could pull the trigger. They just couldn't shoot themselves. The lifelong frustrations of being a gun. -- nm - Inigo Jan 13, 11:19
  - i'd like to pull musubi's trigger, if you know what i'm sayin -- nm - hell comes to pittsburgh Jan 13, 11:16
if someone wants to kill themselves there are lots of options. -- nm - Beaker Jan 13, 11:11 19
- Yes, true. Very few as quick or as sure as a bullet to the head, though. -- nm - TWuG Jan 13, 11:13
- I think a gun in the home makes it a lot easier to act on that impulse. -- nm - mara Jan 13, 11:13 17
  - You could make the same argument for rope control. -- nm - loosilu on her netbook Jan 13, 11:16 16
    - ice picks! -- nm - Beaker Jan 13, 11:18
    - if there weren't about nine million other non-lethal utilitarian uses for rope -- nm - hell comes to pittsburgh Jan 13, 11:17 12
      - Oh come on, guns can be used for lots of things... scaring away pigeons... opening beer bottles... drilling 9mm holes in walls... -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:35 5
        
        Killing zombies may be a gray area. Would it be "lethal" to shoot an "undead" thing? -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:41
        
        physics demonstrations, magic acts, props in art pieces, an ironic vase for a single rose... -- nm - TFox Jan 13, 11:38 1
        
        *golf clap for ironic vase* (nm) - musubi Jan 13, 11:43
        
        keeping the King of England out of your face! -- nm - Roger More Jan 13, 11:36
        
        4th of July and New Years celebrating -- nm - Beaker Jan 13, 11:36
      - This is what bothers me about the "it's just a tool" arguement. (nm) - musubi Jan 13, 11:22 3
        
        Pixie has a tool for you, if you know what he's saying... -- nm - Inigo Jan 13, 11:27 2
        
        Watchmakers laugh at how small his tool it. -- nm - TWuG Jan 13, 11:32 1
        
        musubi is *foldy* - hell comes to pittsburgh Jan 13, 11:38
      - I know one you can cross of the list of 9 million non-lethals -- nm - David Carradine Jan 13, 11:19 1
        
        That *takes off sunglasses* ties this case up. - Horatio Caine Jan 13, 11:20
    - I really don't think I could. -- nm - mara Jan 13, 11:17 1
      - heh -- nm - zork Jan 13, 11:18
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I guess it looks better for the industry if you don't count them. -- nm - Don Homer Jan 13, 11:09

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