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In response to "Ender, why wouldn't you count gun suicides? (nm)" by musubi

Just because it's self-inflicted and thus consenual.

Posted by Ender (aka Ender) Jan 13 '11, 11:21

If 57% of all highway deaths that involved people speeding were people who intentionally got there cars up to 100% and rammed them into bridge abutments to kill themselves then I'd be leery of including their deaths in the stats in a discussion of whether to lower the speed limit.

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Ok, I guess I understand that, though I don't think it's quite an apt comparison. - musubi Jan 13, 11:26 9
- Sure there is, target practice, competitive shooting, etc. -- nm - Stephen Jan 13, 11:33 8
  - so target practice and competitive shooting -- nm - hell comes to pittsburgh Jan 13, 11:37 5
    - Skeet shooting, hunting (non-lethal to humans) (nm) - Stephen Jan 13, 11:40 1
      - That guy lived! -- nm - David Jan 13, 11:49
    - And the former is really practice for the latter. - musubi Jan 13, 11:39 2
      - Just because you don't understand it as such doesn't mean that it's not a form of entertainment to some. - Stephen Jan 13, 11:44 1
        
        I understand it fine, thanks. - musubi Jan 13, 11:48
  - That's not a "practical use", that's a "I can't shoot people or animals, so I'll shoot things" use. -- nm - TWuG Jan 13, 11:36
  - Or should it have been, sure there are? -- nm - Stephen Jan 13, 11:34
So if a mental illness causes Jared to kill me, it should be counted; but if a mental illness causes him to kill himself, it shouldn't be. -- nm - mara Jan 13, 11:23 6
- Depends what kind of discussion you're having... -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:27 5
  - ... A discussion about the number of gun deaths. -- nm - mara Jan 13, 11:28 4
    - You've lost me, I'm not sure how the "mental illness" part factors in here. -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:31 3
      - If you have a mental illness and you kill yourself, is it consensual? -- nm - Roger More Jan 13, 11:33 2
        
        I suppose it would depend how many of your multiple personalities are in agreement. - Ender Jan 13, 11:44 1
        
        The gray area is smaller than that. Not many people argue that insane people are not responsible for their decisions. - Roger More Jan 13, 11:56
(Bah, one of those percent signs should have been an "mph", I'll let you guess which one.) -- nm - Ender Jan 13, 11:22

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Just because it's self-inflicted and thus consenual.

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