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In response to "the stat I heard on the BB, be it true or false, was that 95% of those 800 fatalities were incidents where a helmet was not being worn -- nm" by Beryllium

And a quibble here (because the other got lost to backboarding), nothing about that number says that helmets would have prevented them. -- nm

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Dec 22 '08, 15:16

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You believe 100% of those deaths were non-preventable? - Will Hunting Dec 22, 15:20 10
- No. As said below, it just doesn't provide a sound number for comparison is all. As far as your IM... - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 15:25 9
  - it really soumds like - loosilu Dec 22, 15:29 8
    - Evidence of what Loosi? That a helmet can prevent a head injury? Sure. I've never argued against that. - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 15:33 7
      - you actually did - loosilu Dec 22, 15:37 1
        
        Which post? (Because you shouldn't confuse the criticism of the 95% number as a criticism of helmets themselves.) -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 15:50
      - You'll need to prove to me that the cost of a bike helmet law is more worth it than a few hundred preventable dead kids. - Will Hunting Dec 22, 15:35 4
        
        Really? So you favour helmets for toboggans? Skating? Skiing? Climbing trees? Tree houses? - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 15:42 3
        
        You show me where you're looking at 800 people dying a year (a fair bit of them likely preventable) from those activities, I'll look into it. - Will Hunting Dec 22, 15:54 2
        
        No barb wire scars on me. (That's Walt.) Statistically, I'd bet it's not all that unconsistent with those other activities. - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 15:59 1
        
        Here's an interesting fact sheet: (Like, did we know that baseball has the highest fatality rate amongst sports?) -- (link) - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 16:01
if the rate of helmet wearing is over 5%, it suggests it very strongly. -- nm - loosilu Dec 22, 15:20
really? - Beryllium Dec 22, 15:18 6
- I'm just saying that until you factor in the overall percentage of helmet usage and factor out fatalities that would have been fatalities anyhow... - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 15:22 5
  - common sense test. - loosilu Dec 22, 15:25 3
    - No, it is likely far higher I would think. That said, my argument is not that helmets don't cut down on injuries. - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 15:29 2
      - theres - loosilu Dec 22, 15:31 1
        
        Who's been arguing that they aren't safer? Let's not confuse putting numbers into perspective (ala Bery's 95%) and denial that they work at all. - Name Withheld By Request Dec 22, 15:37
  - Statistics on their own don't mean anything. They just suggest things. -- nm - Beryllium Dec 22, 15:23

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