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A no-fly rule is basically good news, but the logic behind justifying it sounds like half-assed fence sitting and can kicking to me.

Posted by Max Mar 17 '11, 16:42

If the objective is to protect civilians, why is attack by air forbidden but attack by tank going to be allowed? If the loyalist forces are acting on behalf of a discredited illegitimate government, why not wipe them out decisively? If you insist on abiding by Libyan sovereignty by not occupying any of its land, why is it okay to infringe on its airspace?

A no-fly rule means you've chosen sides and you're at war with the Libyan government. Call it what it is, throw your full force behind it, and get it resolved before any more of the people you're trying to protect get hurt. This way is just drawing it out.

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I'm not so sure attack by tank IS allowed. I think that "protect civilians" clause is the backdoor to allow bombing of Libyan ground troops. -- nm - Ender Mar 17, 17:33
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What pisses me off is that the expectation is the US will lead and do the heavy lifting. - TWuG Mar 17, 17:04 8
- Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote - Danedukenuuk Mar 17, 17:07 1
  - I know the US isn't doing it alone. -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 17:14
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  - in all honesty NATO should fez up and get moving ASAP -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 17, 17:09 4
    - NATO has lost all meaning if they do - Reagen Mar 17, 17:27 3
      - Which one was under attack in Bosnia? -- nm - Ender Mar 17, 17:40 2
        
        also a mistake, IMO. -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 17:54 1
        
        it's probably the only meaning NATO makes today -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 17, 20:12
looks like the typical "if you go, i come along" game when nobody wants to be the first -- nm - marcel Mar 17, 16:49 16
- They don't want to be on the wrong side of a major oil supplier. -- nm - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 16:54 15
  - they don't want to be on the wrong side of a madman with an army of terrorists -- nm - marcel Mar 17, 16:59 1
    - That too. -- nm - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 17:05
  - the oil market doesn't work that way. If Libya wants money, they have to sell their oil. - Reagen Mar 17, 16:59 10
    - Weren't there sanctions against Iraq that kept them from selling oil before we went in? - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 17:10 8
      - Yes, the world could lay sanctions on him. That seems like that'd piss him off even more, so wouldn't seem to fit with your theory. - Reagen Mar 17, 17:17 7
        
        And he hasn't always played well with OPEC. - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 17:22 6
        
        OK, so he says "I'm not selling oil to Italy anymore". He then sells to South Africa or Mali or Ghana or whereever - Reagen Mar 17, 17:25 5
        
        And he's done some of those things in the past. - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 17:32 4
        
        describe those consequences to me and contrast them with how they would be different than the current situation of no Libyan oil? - Reagen Mar 17, 17:36 3
        
        Okay, we aren't talking about the same thing. I mean when it's all over and done. - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 17:41 2
        
        Yes, we are. - Reagen Mar 17, 17:53 1
        
        I didn't say anything about S&D.... I said Supply and Price. - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 17:58
    - *tag* you're it -- nm - moles Mar 17, 17:02
  - or have millions arrive on the beaches -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 17, 16:59
  - Without back-up. -- nm - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 16:55
Thye can do more damage by air than land. However, they may have waited too long. -- nm - the liioulu with lots less Mar 17, 16:44
I don't disagree with the IM, but it's slightly easier for ground forces to overwhelm a tank than a plane. Slightly. - Beryllium Mar 17, 16:44
in the "old" day this was engaging in an internal problem of a nation -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 17, 16:43

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A no-fly rule is basically good news, but the logic behind justifying it sounds like half-assed fence sitting and can kicking to me.

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