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Let's see....we have 100,000 schools -- of which say...30 have had shootings in any given year. - Will Hunting Dec 21, 08:49 5
- not to put a dollar figure on the life of a child, but... -- nm - znufrii Dec 21, 08:53 1
  - $3.6 billion is understating it, but it has to be a drop in the ocean compared with what the US pays for its citizens to fly safely. -- nm - Roger More Dec 21, 08:56
- again, I do not disagree with your IM at all. Just that is not going to happen anytime soon. - groiny Dec 21, 08:50 1
  - you make the school as safe as possible. but that doesn't have to include armed guards. - Andie Dec 21, 08:57
- Just like Clinton, Will brings the math for clarity -- nm - amoxy Dec 21, 08:50
stiwop? That Frank Lloyd Wright home has been saved (link) - Jovian Dec 21, 08:46
ML surprisingly silent -- nm - budice Dec 21, 08:45 3
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- effin' Mayans. -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:47
- shocking -- nm - prisoner 24601 Dec 21, 08:46
(stealing from someone that nubby RT'd) Useful reminder: The first person Adam Lanza murdered owned a bunch of guns. -- nm - Kim Pine Dec 21, 08:43 33
- (with their own guns) -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:47
- I don't get this. does that mean he went for that person first cause he thought they may be armed? -- nm - Pippy Bells Dec 21, 08:44 18
  - They were his mom's guns, that were negligently secured. - Will Hunting Dec 21, 08:50 2
    - I didn't realize we were talking about his mom - I thought you meant someone at school. -- nm - Pippy Bells Dec 21, 08:55
    - yup. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:52
  - All it means is that for all the guns she purchased for her protection, one of them killed her in the end. -- nm - Kim Pine Dec 21, 08:45 1
    - Which, statistically, is the most likely outcome. - TWuG Dec 21, 08:47
  - No, it means the fact she owned a bunch of guns didn't save her life. -- nm - mara Dec 21, 08:45 12
    - I'm not seeing the correlation. no one expects to be shot at work, or shopping or at home. the fact the person owned guns doesn't matter at all. - Pippy Bells Dec 21, 08:49 11
      - Exaclty. The fact that you owned guns doesn't matter at all. So saying "If we all owned guns, we'd be safe" is erroneous. -- nm - mara Dec 21, 08:53 1
        
        I don't think we all need guns. Less guns is preferrable. - Pippy Bells Dec 21, 08:56
      - This is flat out wrong. - David Dec 21, 08:51 6
        
        we don't know that. he may have gotten guns or weapons from some other source. even one death is a tragedy. - Pippy Bells Dec 21, 08:54 5
        
        We do know that. Without her owning guns, the conversation moves into the theoretical, starting with "may have". - David Dec 21, 08:55
        
        He wouldn't have such easy access to them though. He would have had to order them over the internet. -- nm - Roger More Dec 21, 08:55
        
        so, if you make guns hard to get, in general, then, he can't get a gun. -- nm - Andie Dec 21, 08:55 2
        
        if he wants to kill he's going to kill. Look, I'm not defending anyone or any position. I simply dont' understand some of the statements being made - Pippy Bells Dec 21, 08:58 1
        
        yes, but you can't kill 28 people easily without some sort of extreme weapon. -- nm - Andie Dec 21, 08:58
      - he went to her house to and killed her with her own guns. no guns. no murder. -- nm - Andie Dec 21, 08:50 1
        
        Even less --- no inadequeatelly secured guns, no murder. -- nm - Will Hunting Dec 21, 08:52
- who was sleeping IIRC. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:44 12
  - And all those guns did little to protect her -- nm - amoxy Dec 21, 08:47
  - So what's need is an automated gun emplacement to watch over you while you sleep/ -- nm - TWuG Dec 21, 08:45 10
    - jesus man, you make it really hard to remain calm talking about this. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:46 9
      - He picked an armed target and planned accordingly. Exactly what he would have done if the school had an armed guard. -- nm - TWuG Dec 21, 08:48 8
        
        was the armed guard going to be sleeping? nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:49 7
        
        After 364 days of absolutely nothing happening, I'd put money on him/her not being as attentive as necessary. - TWuG Dec 21, 08:51 5
        
        so limit the enterences. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:52 4
        
        He shot out a window. I don't want my schools to look like prisons. - Will Hunting Dec 21, 08:54 3
        
        This. groiny is advocating schools as fortresses. - TWuG Dec 21, 08:56
        
        bulletproof windows? - groiny Dec 21, 08:54 1
        
        put god back in schools and have bulletproof monks -- nm - DaneDukeNuuk Dec 21, 08:58
        
        Do people ever sleep on the job? -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:49
aw man, France submitted Intouchables instead of Holy Motors for Best Foreign Picture - prisoner 24601 Dec 21, 08:41
he's always wrong about baseball too. -- nm - Diva Dec 21, 08:39 1
- right. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:41
Well, I'm off the hook for the Dipshit of the Day award -- nm - John Boehner Dec 21, 08:39 3
- He had a raging boehner, for sure. -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:42 1
  - ...named Asa Hutchinson -- nm - budice Dec 21, 08:43
- heh-heh... -- nm - Diva Dec 21, 08:40
My brain is farting. Grading. If I have three totals (A,B,C) where A is worth 40%, B is worth 40%, and C is worth 20%, how do I calculate the final - oblique Dec 21, 08:38 12
- .4x +..4y + .2z. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:39 8
  - And then I use the total possible points to get the final %? That's what's confusing me - oblique Dec 21, 08:41 7
    - no, they need to be on the same scale. so convert them each to a percentage first, then combine. -- nm - TFox Dec 21, 08:42
    - Do the percentages first. -- nm - nubby Dec 21, 08:42 5
      - So - oblique Dec 21, 08:45 3
        
        kilbo, you're over complicating this. 100/113 on A means they got an 88 or whatever. Do that for B and C. Weight that shit together. Done. -- nm - TFox Dec 21, 08:47 2
        
        So like 88% * .4 + 78% * .4 , etc. I see -- nm - oblique Dec 21, 08:50 1
        
        yep. -- nm - TFox Dec 21, 08:50
      - Wait, is this free-fall conditions? -- nm - budice Dec 21, 08:43
- .4*A+.4*B+.2*C -- nm - nubby Dec 21, 08:39
- (A*2+B*2+C)/5 -- nm - znufrii Dec 21, 08:39
- A*.4+B*.4+C*.2? -- nm - TFox Dec 21, 08:38
@Lord_Voldemort7: "It seems like the apocalypse has been prevented. Good job, Buffy." -- nm - nubby Dec 21, 08:36
Wonder what the stats are of armed guards in banks getting killed vs bank robbers being killed by armed guards. With a good number being off duty or - Under the Influence Dec 21, 08:36 8
- The ATF could tell you, but Congress, thanks to the NRA, made it illegal for them to share that info with the public. -- nm - TWuG Dec 21, 08:38
- Well, the guards aren't really supposed to shoot robbers unless the robber is shooting or threatening someone. - TFox Dec 21, 08:37 2
  - I mean, generally, bank robbers are not killers. They're robbers. It's a different class of criminal. - Kim Pine Dec 21, 08:39 1
    - good point -- nm - Pippy Bells Dec 21, 08:43
- because protecting our money if more important than protecting our kids. - groiny Dec 21, 08:37 3
  - I was trying to think of some place where there are armed guards in society. Of course bank robbers just want the cash and not to shoot people. Do you - Under the Influence Dec 21, 08:42 1
    - How is the dad able to just walk into the class? - No. 1 Stephen in the nation! Dec 21, 08:47
  - IMO "our money" is still much more in danger than our kids... - Guigue Dec 21, 08:39
A reported in Pennslvania tweets about heading to the site of a shooting this morning while listening to the NRA presser on the radio. -- (link) - mara Dec 21, 08:34 1
- reporter, that is -- nm - mara Dec 21, 08:35
"Crossing Guards with stop signs and Uzis" -- nm - budice Dec 21, 08:33
That was tone deaf. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:27 4
- *mic drop* I'm the NRA BITCH! -- nm - Wayne LaPierre Dec 21, 08:33 3
  - The mayor of LA just said, "That was a commercial, not a press conference." -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:35 2
    - Apparently shifted from press conf to public statement at the last minute...no questions taken -- nm - budice Dec 21, 08:37 1
      - No and in fact a couple of reporters shouted questions that he ignored. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:38
So do teachers grt more money for packing guns, or is saving your own live payment enough. -- nm - Under the Influence Dec 21, 08:26 2
- That new program he is proposing. Are they going to pay for it with a tak on gun sales? -- nm - Under the Influence Dec 21, 08:27 1
  - tax -- nm - Under the Influence Dec 21, 08:28
Elderly women sexually assulted several times by same man; relatives install video camera; it happens again; police reviewing the video recognize the -- (link) - mara Dec 21, 08:21 5
- What 49 year old needs to rape a 76 year old woman? Jeebuz -- nm - oblique Dec 21, 08:23 4
  - If your need is for power, a weak victim is pretty much ideal. -- nm - mara Dec 21, 08:25 2
    - Cops already *have* the power. - Spawn Dec 21, 08:28
    - People are messed up -- nm - oblique Dec 21, 08:26
  - Needs? -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:24
Steam is having an end of the world sale. Borderlands Franchise 50% off, Torchlight II 50% off -- (link) - oblique Dec 21, 08:18 1
- I saw they have "Farm Simulator." I asked this a few months ago, but would Steam have any simulators for early teens/younger you recommend? - MDH Dec 21, 08:28
sitmop: 3-time US Olympian Suzy Favor Hamilton admits to having worked as an escort. (profanity inside) -- (link) - Diva Dec 21, 08:16 3
- Disney not happy about it... -- (link) - Meg Dec 21, 08:32
- Story plus... -- (link) - Spawn Dec 21, 08:18 1
  - (and I had forgotten that Nike commercial) -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:20
The thing is, everyone knows Lenny Bruce isn't afraid of anything. -- nm - subversive Dec 21, 08:15 1
- But, of course. -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:16
NRA needs a new playbook. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:11 59
- Asa Hutchinson .. now there's a blast from the past -- nm - budice Dec 21, 08:25
- Curious. Was this before or after the moment of silence today? -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:25
- Not to mention it's an arms race you can't win. -- nm - Under the Influence Dec 21, 08:19
- it sounds like they're holding the line then? - Melkor Profit Dec 21, 08:16 54
  - "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." -- nm - MDH Dec 21, 08:23 2
    - or how about a good game of Soduku? nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:24
    - *headdesk* -- nm - znufrii Dec 21, 08:23
  - "More guns in schools" -- nm - mara Dec 21, 08:22 42
    - = more customers for the NRA's corporate overlords. -- nm - znufrii Dec 21, 08:26
    - that is not really what he is saying. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:23 40
      - Armed police in every school is more guns in school (and also a great stimulus) -- nm - MDH Dec 21, 08:31
      - It absolutely is. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:23 38
        
        it is worlds apart from -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:25 33
        
        "give teachers guns" nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:25 32
        
        If there's one gun in a school last Friday, then you give teachers guns, subsequently there's more guns in the school. Arithmetic, as Bill would say. -- nm - mara Dec 21, 08:27
        
        and that makes it better? -- nm - znufrii Dec 21, 08:25 29
        
        "what would have happened if an armed guard met the killer at the door of the Sandy Hook school?" - groiny Dec 21, 08:26 28
        
        Honestly, the armed guard solution is my least favorite for a multitude of reasons, but the biggest is... - TFox Dec 21, 08:33 2
        
        I get that part. It is a huge undertaking to accomplish. - groiny Dec 21, 08:34 1
        
        I'm not. I'm wishing this one ridiculous solution away as completely undoable. -- nm - TFox Dec 21, 08:35
        
        Maybe the shooter would have gone to the mall or the theater instead. So maybe the NRA's point is that dead theater-goers and mall shoppers are better - mara Dec 21, 08:31
        
        he would've been the first one shot? -- nm - znufrii Dec 21, 08:29 1
        
        or maybe the killer would have picked a different target? - groiny Dec 21, 08:31
        
        The armed guard would be dead. -- nm - TWuG Dec 21, 08:29 21
        
        why would you think that? nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:29 20
        
        Because the shooter had an assault rifle at the ready, and the guard would have a handgun in a holster. -- nm - mara Dec 21, 08:31 10
        
        I am sure, walking up the sidewalk to the doorway, he was not locked and loaded, - groiny Dec 21, 08:33 9
        
        Since he shot out the already-existing security window at the school, I think he was. -- nm - Kim Pine Dec 21, 08:33 8
        
        so, in the time he spent shooting out a window, someone could not have gotten in position to take him down? nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:39 7
        
        What are the odds the guard is close enough to that particular window to get in position in one second? - mara Dec 21, 08:42
        
        The one security guard? -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:40 5
        
        I'm sure he would have planned it out differently, is all. - Kim Pine Dec 21, 08:41 3
        
        Yep. If schools get guards then day cares become targets. - TWuG Dec 21, 08:44 1
        
        again, that IM is not happening in the next year, if not the next 10 - groiny Dec 21, 08:45
        
        I agree with this. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:42
        
        one more than they had in place. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:41
        
        *walks up to school, pulls gun out from under coat, shoots guard* -- nm - mafic Dec 21, 08:31 8
        
        you think a trained, armed guard, is going to just stand there? nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:32 7
        
        I think he'll have about a second to react, which won't be enough. - mafic Dec 21, 08:45
        
        I don't see it as cut and dried like others here but I do believe element of surprise heavily favors the assailant. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:33 5
        
        sure it does. - groiny Dec 21, 08:36 4
        
        I think that the suggestion has very little practical upside. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:37 3
        
        Well, the upside is the employment of some 90,000 officers, i guess. -- nm - mara Dec 21, 08:39 2
        
        And a rash of new headlines about gun-related mishaps in schools. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:42 1
        
        with trained professionals? - groiny Dec 21, 08:44
        
        which is not the same as "more guns in schools" -- nm - Kim Pine Dec 21, 08:25
        
        asking to put trained professionals in schools as guards is hardly "more guns in schools" nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:24 3
        
        If the pros have guns, it is exactly that. -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:25
        
        Are they carrying guns? If so, it's more guns in school. -- nm - Will Hunting Dec 21, 08:25 1
        
        I suppose. nm -- nm - groiny Dec 21, 08:26
  - It's awful. On the plus side, he's going to be absolutely vilified for this. -- nm - Kim Pine Dec 21, 08:17 3
    - He's a HERO on FOX news. That's pretty much the channel the faithful watch. -- nm - Under the Influence Dec 21, 08:23 2
      - Fox isn't even showing it right now. They're talking about John Kerry instead. -- nm - Kim Pine Dec 21, 08:27 1
        
        They still need to figure out how to carry out Rupert's wishes while parroting their viewers' need for reassurances. -- nm - Will Hunting Dec 21, 08:28
  - �@maddow: The NRA has rickrolled the whole country into watching just another standard Wayne LaPierre stump speech saying we need more guns.� -- nm - timPhone Dec 21, 08:17
  - Yes but the protesters are disrupting it. That will be the story. -- nm - David Dec 21, 08:17
  - What else can they do? -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:16 1
    - slippery slope if they agree -- nm - budice Dec 21, 08:18
- Blaming the media, these are talking points for the faithful, they can't convert those that are against them. -- nm - Under the Influence Dec 21, 08:14
Kindergarten Killers? Really NRA? (NRA news conf) -- nm - budice Dec 21, 08:11 1
- *sigh* -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:13
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- INOUV -- nm - Spawn Dec 21, 08:10
Life is goo -- nm - CQ draped in tinsel Dec 21, 08:06

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