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I asked Jim Zorn last week whatever happened to D.J. Hackett... -- (link) - Todd Manning Jun 17, 11:10 1
- He has a ton of talent for a guy nobody wants...err, wait a second. -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:20
Sandisk Clip 2GB MP3 Player - $15 + $5 shipping on Woot today -- nm - Guy Jun 17, 11:06
While Samara is around and Kim is home from work sick, we'll probably set up Blood Feud leagues later today. -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:04 1
- LT, McNabb, Addai, and Ronnie Brown are all available. - the wrong element, bad guy Jun 17, 11:12
Also wtf: flights to Mex City cost $100 more today. Glad I bought yesterday. -- nm - Hotkiss Jun 17, 11:01 1
- because now they can advertize that you will be there. demand skyrocketed -- nm - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:03
ST Pop Quiz (PIRR): How many homes in the US does Nielsen currently estimate are unable to receive the digital transmission? -- nm - Dano Jun 17, 10:57 10
- The winner is..... Ender. The answer is 2.5 million. -- (link) - Dano Jun 17, 11:06 1
  - booooo-urns -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:07
- 1% -- nm - Todd Manning Jun 17, 11:03
- 2.75 million -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:02
- 18.5 million -- nm - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:02
- 6 million -- nm - Krusty Jun 17, 11:02
- 4.5 million. -- nm - Jelly Jun 17, 11:01
- 1 million -- nm - Ender Jun 17, 10:59
- 125,000 -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:58
- 12 million -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 10:58
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- Sweet. - con_carne Jun 17, 10:59
- My old coffeeshop boss used to attend these every week. He'd often stumble into the shop around 11 or midnight for a caffeine nightcap -- nm - Hotkiss Jun 17, 10:56
FYI, for those with iPhones, the 3.0 update is now officially available. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 10:52 7
- Thank you! -- nm - DreadPR Jun 17, 10:58
- mine just installed, while I listened to 'Life in the Fast Lane'; restarting now. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:53 5
  - Informative page on how to use the best 40 features of iphone 3.0. -- (link) - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:07
  - "iTunes could not connect to the device because an invalid response was received" ... heheh. Wonderful. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:54 3
    - Always wait till build #.1. Never use build #.0 -- nm - lileve Jun 17, 11:01 1
      - Good advice ... build 3.0 is working now, though .. heheh -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:05
    - ... hmm, another progress bar. Interesting. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:56
Loyola: Do you have these? :) They're great. -- (link) - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:49 1
- Wow, no, but they do look fun to eat! -- nm - Loyola Jun 17, 10:53
wtf, this cat doesn't have a face -- (link) - Hotkiss Jun 17, 10:48 4
- It's a face only a mother could love. -- nm - kelly Jun 17, 10:57
- "some beotch is teasing me about my no face birthmark!!" -- nm - The Cat With No Face Jun 17, 10:56
- Gross! -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 10:50
- that's...very disturbing. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 10:49
Local news just showed an ugly incident at the Coliseum that occurred about 20 minutes ago. They were closing the gates to the venue due to capacity - CrankYanker Jun 17, 10:43 1
- I think that was a replay of an incident this morning. People were tired or waiting to get in and just forced their way through. That's why it was - jnine Jun 17, 10:46
"I have thought a sufficient measure of civilization is the influence of good women" -- nm - R.W.Emerson Jun 17, 10:42
Hee. Ike story - TWuG Jun 17, 10:42 2
- or one turns out to be a mini-Vader :) -- nm - Beaker Jun 17, 10:49 1
  - Does that make me Obi-Wan TWuGnobi? -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:00
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- Why should these murderers get harsher sentences than any other? Murder is murder, IMO. - TWuG Jun 17, 10:45 66
  - by that logic, why differentiate between homicide and murder? The soccer mom who runs a red light should get the same sentence as David Berkowitz? -- nm - Max Jun 17, 11:13 2
    - Murder and killing are separate things. Was there an intent to kill? If so, murder. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:15 1
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  - Your perspective is reversed. Hate crimes are meant to terrorize and control all people in a class, not just those directly affected. - not2fast Jun 17, 10:54 29
    - No, my perspective is just fine. I don't like the "thought crime" aspect of hate crimes laws. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 10:58 28
      - That is because you are looking at it from the criminal's perspective, not the victims'. -- nm - not2fast Jun 17, 11:05 4
        
        *Every* victim is pissed at being a victim. I'm worried about criminalizing thought. It's not right. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:08 3
        
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        Yes, you are. You don't like the thoughts behind the crime so you punish it more severly -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:14 1
        
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      - How else do you propose to disincentivize unhelpful and entrenched ways of thinking? -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 10:59 22
        
        Punish the shit out of the behavior that is the crime, ie assault/murder/etc - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:03 2
        
        but by only punishing the behahior, you are doing nothing to address its cause. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 11:05 1
        
        No, you're simplifying the case and not getting into a gray area. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:11
        
        you really think that harsher sentencing is a disincentive for this? can you show us any evidence to support that? -- nm - Guy Jun 17, 11:03 1
        
        No, I can't. I'm just thinking out loud here, really. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 11:04
        
        The rub is who gets to say what's unhelpful/bad thought? -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 11:00 3
        
        *Reconsiders* Could we include support for the Desginated Hitter rule? -- nm - Ender Jun 17, 11:04 2
        
        read that as "Designated Hitler" -- nm - Dano Jun 17, 11:07 1
        
        Same thing, they're both evil. -- nm - Ender Jun 17, 11:08
        
        Education and population turnover. -- nm - Ender Jun 17, 11:00 12
        
        In the long run, yes. But that can take a while. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 11:03 4
        
        But then the nebulous possiblity of 10 more years in prison isn't exactly an immediate disincentive to those thoughts either. -- nm - Ender Jun 17, 11:07 3
        
        but if nothing else, it removes the perpetrator from society so he is less able to pass along the worldview that spawned the action. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 11:08 2
        
        Ah, so now we're locking away the people with the improper thoughts. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:12 1
        
        Oh, believe me, if I wanted to lock away people with improper thoughts, there wouldn't be enough room in the entire state of alaska for them. - znufrii Jun 17, 11:14
        
        Agreed. Many murders are motivated by hate, but only certain groups of people get addition "protection" from hate crimes laws. - TWuG Jun 17, 11:02 6
        
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        So white on white murder isn't as bad as white on black murder or black on white murder? Is black on black murder more tolerable than white on black - TWuG Jun 17, 11:12 4
        
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        Ah, so the "thought" behind the "crime" is what drives the extra punishment! "Thought crime"! -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:17
        
        I'll take being shot becuase I'm black over becuase I was just standing there. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:17 1
        
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  - Because people are less willing to serve a 40 year sentence for their hate, than a 30 year one. Duh!!! -- nm - Todd Manning Jun 17, 10:52
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    - Yes, those things are bad, but murder is muder. Motivation can maybe be argued as a reason to reduce a sentence, but I'm not in favor - TWuG Jun 17, 10:56 3
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        Fine, start at "murder=life sentence" and start subtracting years for mitigating circumstances. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:04 1
        
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    - So? Does punishing people more harshly now for doing things that were more socially acceptable earlier in history somehow cleanse our national karma? - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 10:52 12
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        How does hate crime legislation do that? - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:03 4
        
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        Well, now we're back to discouraging the *act*, not "rooting out the prejudices". - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:09 2
        
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        So now it's about making the victims feel better? - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:19
      - It goes some small way to address, or at least attempt to mitigate, the systemic irrationality that is the root of prejudice. - znufrii Jun 17, 10:55 5
        
        By treating races differently, I say it props up that systemic irrationality. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:00 4
        
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        That doesn't make it any more rational. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:05 2
        
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        [grin] Okay, Jack. You win! -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:13
  - "Since it was a hate crime, we get to leave the electric chair on for an extra 90 seconds." -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 10:47
  - It's a bit harder to define that here in Canada ... it seems we don't have a "life without parole" option for punishment. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:46 11
    - I'd much prefer a "life without parole" option over the death penalty. Tends to be cheaper AND if new evidence comes to light - TWuG Jun 17, 10:49 9
      - Znufrii's Crazy Idea #598.2 - znufrii Jun 17, 10:53 2
        
        The trouble comes in doing the mind/soul backup. I don't think hard drives technology is there yet. -- nm - Ender Jun 17, 10:54 1
        
        well, yes, there is that small problem. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 10:55
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        Hmm. Probably a good point; maybe it's more for determining length and conditions of the stay in prison. You know ... from ClubFed to ... - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:52 2
        
        Hate crimes laws increase the term served. They don't (and I didn't me to imply that they did) move a crime from "life" to "death penalty" -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 10:54 1
        
        I had kind of meant to imply that, which is probably where JD got it from, but I guess I might have been wrong to do so -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:55
      - Agreed. But I mean, first-degree murder is basically "just" a 25 year sentence in canada, or so it seems. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:51 1
        
        (A lot of the time, especially with 2nd-degree, it can be as low as 10 years) -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:51
    - (And we do have hate crime laws on the books, and they basically are used to bump up the harshness of the eventual sentence, especially for assaults) -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:47
  - It's intolerance of, well, intolerance! -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 10:46
A very good article from The Economist on renting vs. buying, from a national perspective instead of an individual consumer basis. -- (link) - TFox Jun 17, 10:39 1
- Eh, I'd rather they write one just about me. -- nm - Todd Manning Jun 17, 10:41
10 US Banks to repay US Bailout money (watch for executive compensation to rise dramatically shortly thereafter) -- (link) - Beaker Jun 17, 10:31 8
- If they're repaying all their TARP loans this quickly, they deserve all the compensation they want to give themselves. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 10:35 5
  - I wonder how many of these banks were the ones in trouble to start with - Will Hunting Jun 17, 10:39 3
    - So, really all they had to do was hold on to the money and not screw things up? - znufrii Jun 17, 10:43 1
      - Well, loan out that money wisely and stuff. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 10:45
    - Agreed on all counts. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 10:42
  - I agree. -- nm - Remlik Jun 17, 10:36
- Supposedly, the first round of repayments actually resulted in a profit to the government. Hopefully this round is profitable, too. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 10:34
- Are they paying interest? -- nm - Dano Jun 17, 10:34
LYC: I've been very self-conscious of my birthmark all my life but largely got over it in high school. Still, all it takes is a jerk comment on the - Hotkiss Jun 17, 10:29 5
- Just bitter 'cause he knew he had no shot. -- nm - the wrong element, bad guy Jun 17, 10:39
- kick to the crotch sounds in order -- nm - Beaker Jun 17, 10:32
- Women can be insecure??? -- nm - Redmond in Sin City Jun 17, 10:32 1
  - Oh, why oh why can't you find a girlfriend. It's truly perplexing. ;-) -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 10:47
- kick his ass. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 10:31
Simmons' take on Kobe, Phil and the NBA finals -- (link) - Kobe Gump Shrimp Jun 17, 10:29 2
- Man he is really battling with his kobe issues. Beginning to sound like he needs a shrink. -- nm - DreadPR Jun 17, 10:57
- Sweatin to the Kobes -- nm - Redmond in Sin City Jun 17, 10:33
~ Take a good hard look at the mutha f**kin boat!! ~ -- nm - Shaun Jun 17, 10:27
Dano wants a lightbulb? -- nm - Todd Manning Jun 17, 10:26
LYC I was in a shop yesterday buying ice cream and it came to 3.02 so I gave her 3 and go is that alright? She goes it's 3.02. So I find another one - Loyola Jun 17, 10:25 11
- Most teller type folk around here don't technically have the autonomy to make those kinds of decisions. - TFox Jun 17, 10:41 1
  - I think it was more how she said it, matter of factly, like she enjoyed the power of demanding an extra 2 cent. - Loyola Jun 17, 10:51
- ice cream in a bucket for freezing at home, or ice cream in a cup or cone? -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:27 8
  - One cone and one ice pop. -- nm - Loyola Jun 17, 10:27 7
    - Oh ... I was going to gripe about the price, but that's not too bad then. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:29 6
      - (There's a push here and in the US to eliminate the penny, maybe you should start an initiative like that? :)) -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:30 5
        
        :) Do you have cornetto's in Canada? They brought out a new one, extra big, I'm eating like 2 of them a day, even on cold days. D. Lishus. -- nm - Loyola Jun 17, 10:31 4
        
        Yes, but I haven't seen extra big ones. Sounds yummy! -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:33 3
        
        Oh man, I'm tellin ya.You'll want to live on them. -- nm - Loyola Jun 17, 10:35 2
        
        do they have ones with caramel inside in the jumbo size? -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:44 1
        
        There is some chocolate goo. I haven't seen any caramel. -- nm - Loyola Jun 17, 10:47
*moves to East Bedwicksburg* -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 10:25
*scowl* -- nm - Kobe Gump Shrimp Jun 17, 10:23
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- Run the other way. The mice and gas problems are one-offs, but the rest will haunt you if you buy in. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 10:27 3
  - the neighbour thing wouldn't bother me either, but the financials would give me great pause. -- nm - mafic Jun 17, 10:29 1
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  - agreed -- nm - Beaker Jun 17, 10:28
- "Take the money!" -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 10:23
today's twitter trend is nicer film titles. Like "The Good, the Moderately Unpleasant, and The One Only A Mother Could Love" ... -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 10:21
woah -- nm - Redmond in Sin City Jun 17, 10:20 5
- did you see jnine's question? -- nm - loosilu Jun 17, 10:25 4
  - I did but I have been in 2 short relationships were there was mutual interest at first and both weren't ended by me - Redmond in Sin City Jun 17, 10:29 3
    - I disagree. -- nm - loosilu Jun 17, 10:30 2
      - You wouldn't be loosi if you agreed -- nm - Redmond in Sin City Jun 17, 10:34 1
        
        to disagree with you, I have to agree with jnine. -- nm - loosilu Jun 17, 10:37

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