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I got it! Bollocks to that bastard TWuG! -- nm - twUg Jun 17, 11:51
If any Canucks are interested in a cheap 360, Walmart will be selling the Arcade units for $150 starting Friday. -- nm - Shaun Jun 17, 11:47 1
- Heh, a second one would be great for streaming ... but I can't justify such expenses right now. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:47
so lets say I really, really like canadians but I kill someone who I didn't know was canadian, can I get less time in jail because I like him instead - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:44 13
- I used to love Canadians -- then I moved to the border. - Old Antarctic Explorer Jun 17, 11:54 6
  - Speeding is an American habit? -- nm - Shaun Jun 17, 11:55 3
    - They drive much faster down here than they are allowed to drive... - Old Antarctic Explorer Jun 17, 11:58
    - those sounded like 'human habits'. -- nm - Andie Jun 17, 11:56 1
      - No doubt. -- nm - Shaun Jun 17, 11:57
  - what province do you live below/beside? -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:54 1
    - Lower Mainland BC/ Beach - Old Antarctic Explorer Jun 17, 11:57
- If I kill a lawyer do I get off because most people don't like them? -- nm - Redmond on a phone Jun 17, 11:51 1
  - and a parade -- nm - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:52
- Depends which Candian. (nm) - musubi Jun 17, 11:47 3
  - *lick* -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:47 1
    - *commits hate crime* (nm) - musubi Jun 17, 11:49
  - Or Canadian, even. (nm) - musubi Jun 17, 11:47
Stupid Apple. Updating has apparently screwed up my phone. -- nm - Dano Jun 17, 11:43 6
- Well, mine appears to be working fine after the update ... during the update, though, things seemed flakey -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:44 5
  - I can't seem to finish the update. -- nm - Dano Jun 17, 11:45 4
    - Is it still doing stuff to update or sync? I did mine last week, but it took a real long time to completely finish updating. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:46 3
      - On what seems to be the final step I keep getting a "network connection timed out" message. Maybe too many people are updating. -- nm - Dano Jun 17, 11:53 1
        
        Checking twitter, looks like I'm not the only one. So that must be the problem. -- nm - Dano Jun 17, 11:56
      - Yeah, I've heard that the sync can take a while. -- nm - mara Jun 17, 11:51
Huh, I had not heard the Sosa news (must have missed that board) - ty97 Jun 17, 11:35 3
- Thomas and Griffey look even better now. -- nm - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:39
- everyone but frank thomas -- nm - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:38 1
  - eh -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:39
Hmm...TWUGs is in the top twitter trending topics. - Callisto Jun 17, 11:34 20
- *still has no idea what Twitter is* -- nm - Shaun Jun 17, 11:39 3
  - billions of people making slackertalk-style posts, but with no "message body", and no threading. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:39 2
    - MEh. -- nm - Shaun Jun 17, 11:44
    - (* note: not actually billions) -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:39
- How the hell? I don't even Twitter. Can you link me? -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:35 15
  - Apparently it means "twitter hugs". -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:37 5
    - ST Poll: What should TWuG change his nick too (because that seems inevitable now!) -- nm - ty97 Jun 17, 11:39 4
      - TWhANDjOB. nm - Dignan Jun 17, 11:43 1
        
        Not even with ty's hand. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:44
      - T. Woogee -- nm - mara Jun 17, 11:40
      - Fuck that! TWuG is MINE! I don't want to be a meme, but I won't give up a name I've used for 20+ years. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:40
  - Try this -- (link) - mara Jun 17, 11:37 8
    - or this -- (link) - mara Jun 17, 11:38 7
      - Dear fucking God. I may have to Twitter just to be @TWuG before someone else takes it. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:42 6
        
        you'd better start right quick, it'll probably be gone soon -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:44
        
        Well, I would if I were you. But that's just me. Or would you like me to create and reserve the account for you? -- nm - mara Jun 17, 11:43 4
        
        Please. Or point me to where to do it. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:45 3
        
        Click "get started -- join" here -- (link) - mara Jun 17, 11:45 2
        
        Already taken. I am now TheOriginalTWuG -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:48 1
        
        Bummer. It still says the page doesn't exist, which is why I thought you could get it, but I guess it's in process. -- nm - mara Jun 17, 11:49
Drogba given lengthy European ban -- (link) - Danedukenuuk Jun 17, 11:27
I have 65 apps on my iphone. I regularly use, oh, about ten of them. Maybe less. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:23 3
- Mine says 42. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:27
- There's an app for that! -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 11:23 1
  - tallying apps is now not an app, it's an included feature! :) Settings->General->About -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:24
Okay, need some math assistance. If I have a data set that the average is 55.25, and the standard deviation is .89 - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:21 3
- Try this -- (link) - Old Antarctic Explorer Jun 17, 11:56
- Not exactly. Over a number of iterations of the data, there is a 64% chance that the average will generally be 55.25 +/- .89 - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:26
- iirc, it's 65-95-99.8 -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 11:24
Even if it had not practical effect on deterring crime, hate crime legislation is a useful expression of our country's values. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 11:20 68
- It punishes people for things they have said, and social groups that they have belonged to, meetings they've been to. To me, that is inherently wrong. -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 11:31
- Isn't freedom of though, including unpopular, ugly thought a pretty important value in our country? (nm) - musubi Jun 17, 11:28 31
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    - Nobody's saying that the violence based on it shouldn't be punished. -- nm - Ender Jun 17, 11:38
    - It's not side tracking the discussion. It's the main point of the discussion. Punish the act, not the reason behind it. - musubi Jun 17, 11:35 19
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        Premeditation makes a crime a different act, thus the different crimes. - musubi Jun 17, 11:39 17
        
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        If I bring a knife to a guy to cut him, it's a differnt act than finding a knife in the middle of a fight and cutting him. Premeditation is an act. - musubi Jun 17, 11:44 4
        
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        So, your answer is punish him more because he hated her? - musubi Jun 17, 11:50 1
        
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        give him an extra 20 years because he hated her -- nm - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:49
        
        Very good. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:43 10
        
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        No. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:48 8
        
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        when he decided to kill her -- nm - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:51
        
        "decides to kill her." See how 'decide' is a verb? -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:51 2
        
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        You asked where the act was in premeditation. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:56
        
        Planning may require a plan, but premeditation doesn't. -- nm - mara Jun 17, 11:49 2
        
        I believe it does. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:50 1
        
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    - The crime is : Destruction of property, assualt, murder and terrorism. Not hated of Jews or Americans. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:34 8
      - the argument I'd make is that hate crimes are terrorism. the design is to affect more than just the person the crime is perpetrated on. if terrorism - mafic Jun 17, 11:37 5
        
        That's the best argument I've heard for the legislation so far. Nice. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:39 2
        
        Are you seriously saying you'd never heard that argument before, or thought of it yourself? -- nm - mara Jun 17, 11:45 1
        
        Best argument I've seen today, and presented the most concisely. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:53
        
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        Oh good. That's one side I'd want to be on. - musubi Jun 17, 11:42
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        If you base the punishment on the thoughts then, yes, you are punishing thoughts. -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 11:39
- It's punishing the thoughts of people not the crimes they commit. I don't care that the Holocaust Museum shooter was motivated by hate for Jews - TWuG Jun 17, 11:25 17
  - I do care, because of what it says about our country that there are still people with those ideas out there. - znufrii Jun 17, 11:30 12
    - If a non-bigot murders a bigot, it's still murder. I don't like ranking one murder against another. - ty97 Jun 17, 11:37 2
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      - Exactly. (nm) - musubi Jun 17, 11:40
    - as wrong as I believe they are, they still have that right. once you tack on an additional punishment because of "hate", the hate becomes a crime. - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:34
    - So you are in favor of criminalizing thought? Why not make all hatred of Jews or gays or African-Americans illegal? Then they can't hold those - TWuG Jun 17, 11:33 7
      - because that's just a silly concept entirely. - znufrii Jun 17, 11:39 6
        
        Or we could really just punish the guilty man to the fullest extents of our laws, protect society and not make the Jews/blacks/muslims/gays a protecte - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:41 5
        
        what about hate crime laws protecting straw men? - znufrii Jun 17, 11:46 2
        
        What straw man? You want laws that are equal...you said so above. Yet you're arguing for laws that treat citizens unequally. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:48 1
        
        the idea that your arguing against, that hate crime laws exist to protect only certain classes of people, is entirely false. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 11:53
        
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        Increase the penalties in general for those crimes. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:44
  - But, on the other hand, if someone spraypaints "death to all juice" on your juice stand, don't you want them to get more than a ticket? -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:27 3
    - If they sprayed "Man, I really really love juice", I'd want them ticketed just as harshly! -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:30 2
      - what if they did it really prettily and it helped boost sales? -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:32 1
        
        I... if... dammit! - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:33
- I'm pretty sure "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are more values than "Sorry about the slavery thing" - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:24 16
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    - A "hate crime" is defined by the thought of the perpatrator. That makes it thought crime. Punish the murder, not the hate. - TWuG Jun 17, 11:31 2
      - then 1st degree anything is also a thought crime. or anything that involves "with intent to" for that matter. -- nm - mafic Jun 17, 11:41 1
        
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  - I find hate crime laws to be much more an expression of the former than the latter. - znufrii Jun 17, 11:27 11
    - I find it ironic you're saying it's about applying equality when classes are singled out for protection under these laws. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:30 8
      - I have no facts to back this up, but the "hate crime" concept seems like it would be discriminatory to white people. - con_carne Jun 17, 11:37 5
        
        I would like to think that if heterosexual white males were the target of hate crimes to the extent which other parts of the population are... - znufrii Jun 17, 11:43
        
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        See, who gets to say what's racially motivated and what isn't? - con_carne Jun 17, 11:44 2
        
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      - it's only a hate crime if you beat up a gay man *because he was gay*. - znufrii Jun 17, 11:33
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    - Once you start assigning different treatment to different 'worldviews' and different races, equality goes right out the window. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:29 1
      - what about for the handicapped? No more ramps! Stairs for everyone! - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:30
Remember that guy who drafted DJ Hackett in the first round of a draft? Wasn't that hysterical? -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:20 2
- Looking at last year's rosters, I feel bad for Jim. - the wrong element, bad guy Jun 17, 11:33
- He broke my heart, he did. -- nm - Todd Manning Jun 17, 11:28
hmmm -- nm - Redmond on a phone Jun 17, 11:18 1
- My phone just decided I am not in Sin City anymore -- nm - Redmond on a phone Jun 17, 11:19
Thanks, Don Homer. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:17
I'm gonna commit a hate crime on ML, becuase I hate zubaz. (nm) - musubi Jun 17, 11:17 23
- zubaz... lawyer... tough call. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:21 1
  - To make the call easier, I won't accept a Medal of Honor. - musubi Jun 17, 11:22
- I'm just going to kill the 4th person I see. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:19 20
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    - The former...I'd nail em for everything. Arson etc etc. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:28 6
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        Your examples are different acts, so seeing them as differnt crimes seems perfectly logical to me. - musubi Jun 17, 11:33 3
        
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        I see your point. The two acts are different, see my point? - musubi Jun 17, 11:37 1
        
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        I think the tack-ons are a nice admission of "We can't actualy police the crimes so we need more reasons to toughen up." - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:32
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    - Why is the marketplace of ideas not enough to win out against racism? - musubi Jun 17, 11:24 1
      - Because when liberals want to control thought it must be for the greater good, but if conservatives want to do it, then it's a violation of basic - TWuG Jun 17, 11:27
    - In this country? Hell, I'd be in a psych ward for a few years and back on the street within 15. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:23 7
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        I may be mistaken, but insanity generally address competence, not motive. - musubi Jun 17, 11:26 3
        
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        So that's the same as motive? - musubi Jun 17, 11:30 1
        
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        I don't think he would. There's reasons crimes differ in punishment; intent to murder vs crime of passion - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:26 1
        
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  - What have you got against the number 4? Hate crime! (nm) - musubi Jun 17, 11:21
funniest post on b3 -- (link) - dogbert183 Jun 17, 11:16 [Backboard]
What the duck? -- (link) - Dano Jun 17, 11:15 [Image] 1
- Howard!! -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 11:17
*flush* -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 11:14

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