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I guess the takeaway is never underestimate the selfish nature of the American voter - TWuG Nov 4, 07:31 4
- We should be honest too. 1) I think we should admit Donny is a great marketer. Crap businessman but great marketer. - crash davis Nov 4, 07:37 2
  - 3) Then I think we should admit progressives are crap marketers - "Defund the police". Who thought that slogan was a winner? etc etc -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:38 1
    - This isn't the totality of Trump but it goes a long way to explain some normal, otherwise good, people just filling in the dot. -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:39
- I think part of this isn't attributable to Trump. It's more that conservatives did a good job in applying big data to find more voters. - David Nov 4, 07:33
Late Ballots Accepted:PA - 3 days after Election Day if postmarked by Election Day..NV - 7 days after Election Day NC - 9 days after Election Day. -- nm - budice Nov 4, 07:29 1
- OH - 10 days after Election Day. CA - 17 days(!) after Election Day if postmarked by Election Day -- nm* - budice Nov 4, 07:31
STL city voted in a big change to local elections. They will be non-partisan and have approval voting in the primary. - spamlet Nov 4, 07:28 2
- Annnnd....we apparently voted in gerrymandering in MO last night as well. I hate everyone and everything this morning. -- nm - Johnny Lawrence Nov 4, 07:29 1
  - I hadn't even looked but i assumed with a 16 point Trump win that was a given. -- nm - spamlet Nov 4, 07:31
lyc, listening to the QAnon guy, he gets some stuff from YouTube. A lot of focus has been on Twitter and Facebook, but there are cesspools everywhere -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:28
My Twitter feed is slowly turning optimistic. Michael Cohen thinks it will clearly be Biden by the end of the day. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 07:23 4
- We won't know about the rest of Nevada for a while, right? - Inigo Nov 4, 07:29
- Still going to be very contentious as "the reason they waited to count the mail in votes is because they needed to know how many Biden votes to find" - Dano Nov 4, 07:28 2
  - LOL!! its so dumb -- nm - Epiphany Nov 4, 07:31
  - I'll enjoy their wails. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 07:28
Delaware and Vermont elected the highest ranking openly trans legislators. - the wrong element, bad guy Nov 4, 07:17
2020 just keeps on coming. Sounds like my oldest was hanging out with a chick on Saturday that tested positive for the Coves. nm - Johnny Lawrence Nov 4, 07:16 15
- Ye gods. I'm sorry, Jim. -- nm - David Nov 4, 07:28 3
  - He left work and immediately got tested yesterday - but it was later in the day, so there were no more rapid tests. we get to wait... - Johnny Lawrence Nov 4, 07:32 2
    - On our connecting flight to Orlando, we sat on the tarmac for 45 minutes because the co-pilot tested positive. - David Nov 4, 07:35 1
      - wow -- nm - Epiphany Nov 4, 07:37
- good luck! pre game with some vitamins and such - Epiphany Nov 4, 07:28 2
  - Well - I just drank down a bleach and hydroxy cocktail - I should be good. -- nm - Johnny Lawrence Nov 4, 07:30 1
    - I see your sense of humor is in tact :) - Epiphany Nov 4, 07:32
- Well, crap. Hunker down and take care. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 07:25
- I'm hoping that you get some negative news which is positive, if you know what I mean. -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:19 6
  - lol - thanks. how's the Redhead? -- nm - Johnny Lawrence Nov 4, 07:21 5
    - I probably won't have anymore news from the doctor until after 10 am awesome time. -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:22 4
      - Crash, we're only getting this in short bites well after the fact, but I want you to know that we're thinking about you and praying for you both. -- nm - David Nov 4, 07:28 1
        
        much appreciated :) -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:30
      - Thoughts are with you guys. -- nm - pmb Nov 4, 07:25 1
        
        Thanks, and I thank everyone else here as well. I appreciate all you guys. -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:26
If you really want to be in the weeds - PA Election site has county by county results and distinguishes between in person and mail in. -- (link) - Dano Nov 4, 07:15 2
- Statewide, Biden is running at 78% of the mail in vote. Trump is at 66% of the in person vote. -- nm - Dano Nov 4, 07:18 1
  - I neglected to consider the Libertarian votes in that calculation so it could be slightly off. -- nm - Dano Nov 4, 07:19
I had a "laughing through gritted teeth" moment last night at my Fitbit congratulating me for hitting my zone HR goals for the week. -- nm - Reagen Nov 4, 07:14 2
- I'm afraid to take my blood pressure. How high can the machines read? -- nm - TWuG Nov 4, 07:16 1
  - I changed my BP meds YESTERDAY. and the readings are awful. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 07:18
Michigan is counting again. Biden's now ahead. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 4, 07:10 2
- And the biggest amount of outstanding votes to count are early votes in Detroit/Wayne County -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:15
- Thanks, keep us updated -- nm - budice Nov 4, 07:13
I hope everyone is doing well this morning. I want you all to know that my inboxes and texts are open if you want to talk, vent, or whatever. -- nm - David Nov 4, 07:08 2
- I would like to place a request for a trip report -- nm - JD Nov 4, 07:35
- very kind of you sir - Epiphany Nov 4, 07:30
Matt Lieberman will be third among Dems in the Georgia Senate race. -- nm - Reagen Nov 4, 07:00
Major Arizona update on NYT (who hasn't called it yet) Biden just pulled away from Trump. -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 06:59 1
- With AZ, if Biden gets NV any of PA/MI/GA gets him to 270. -- nm - spamlet Nov 4, 07:23
Project Lincoln has some thinking to do. -- nm - Roger More Nov 4, 06:59 25
- They do not. They used their videos to fundraise and now have a hefty war chest to spend on who they please, including Republican. - colin Nov 4, 07:16 2
  - I think he means the individuals involved need to think about whether they still want to identify as Republicans. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 07:22 1
    - That too, but I was thinking about "how effective are they?" -- nm - Roger More Nov 4, 07:24
- Why? What's the criticism? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 4, 07:01 20
  - Their party is gone from them and there’s no sign it’s coming back. -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 4, 07:06 11
    - Though the question is is there Trumpism without Trump? This hope the answer is no but I'm of course not so sure. -- nm - Reagen Nov 4, 07:16 8
      - I want to praise you on your first sentence. I'd started typing a long post that I eliminated which you summed up in one simple question. -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:21
      - The feeling was there before Trump - he just let all those people free to be terrible publically. Pre-Trump the rage was there, just hidden beneath - Andie Nov 4, 07:19
      - Without Trump, enthusiasm probably declines, but the bat shit crazy continues -- nm - TWuG Nov 4, 07:18 4
        
        I think he's somewhat unique, but I think Don Jr. picks up where he left off. He's pretty much the same guy (only maybe even angrier). -- nm - pmb Nov 4, 07:20 3
        
        But he has none of the charisma. He comes across as an angry douche. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 07:21 2
        
        The anger is what they care about. Though Trump's sense of humor does help. -- nm - pmb Nov 4, 07:25 1
        
        That's what I mean. Junior has none. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 07:26
      - I despairingly (is that a word?) agree with you -- nm - prayformojo Nov 4, 07:18
    - Okay, that aspect I could see. Probably need another cycle or two with the increasing purple Texas & Georgia (no matter what happens) to scare 'em. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 4, 07:09 1
      - Alternatively, given the rust belt has gone about 5% right of the polls, do they care about Georgia ? And Texas stayed red (not really close) - Will Hunting Nov 4, 07:12
  - I haven't seen criticism, this is just my thought. But did their campaign have any actual impact on the outcome? -- nm - Roger More Nov 4, 07:05 7
    - I don't think there's anything conclusive on that which could be gleaned this morning. Who's to say the Trump strength wouldn't be more favourable? - Name Withheld By Request Nov 4, 07:07 6
      - 4M more voters found a reason to vote for Trump in 2020 than in 2016. It's a strong signal that people aren't changing their minds. -- nm - Roger More Nov 4, 07:23 5
        
        "for Trump" or "anti-Democrat"? -- nm - oblique Nov 4, 07:26 1
        
        Either way. If voters voted "for Trump", it means that PL's campaign that "don't vote for Trump because Trump is awful" was not effective. - Roger More Nov 4, 07:32
        
        Not necessarily true. That might be turnout. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 07:24 2
        
        They didn’t vote in 2016. They saw something in the last 4 years that convinced them to come out and pull a lever. - Will Hunting Nov 4, 07:30
        
        And Project Lincoln's messaging didn't depress Trump's turnout, so... -- nm - Roger More Nov 4, 07:28
- They did fine. Other parties have a lot more introspection ahead of them. -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 07:00
So I'm reading that the 2022 Senate map looks fairly good for Dems. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 06:52 2
- It should. 2010 and 2016 were strong Republican cycles. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 4, 06:54
- The fight for Toomey’s seat here is going to be brutal, I expect. -- nm* - znufrii Nov 4, 06:53
Even if Biden wins, I'm gut-wrenchingly heartbroken that the country is this racist, selfish, and non-apathetic. And other things. - JaxSean Nov 4, 06:52 23
- Same. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 07:15
- Same here. But also the fear that there won't be a senate majority so the necessary changes can't be made even if Biden wins. - pmb Nov 4, 07:01 1
  - Maybe in two years, though. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 07:02
- There is a very successful disinformation campaign out there. -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 06:57
- I am, too. I'm just baffled at why so many people were fired up to vote for him. -- nm - Inigo Nov 4, 06:54 16
  - Dominant majority groups that perceive their dominance slipping away can make very dangerous and desperate decisions (nm) - Brian Nov 4, 07:04 3
    - Very much yes. Also, villainy appeals to some who think it's a joke. And this shadow campaign with Q may be more insidious that we fully understand. -- nm - David Nov 4, 07:07 2
      - Watch some of these NXIVM docs. Or there was a Netflix series where they explain stuff and they did one on cults. That's really what's happening - pmb Nov 4, 07:17 1
        
        Yeah, I have a family member who is apparently tilting hard that way. Her son's worried. -- nm - David Nov 4, 07:28
  - He is at the helm of a party that gave them Justices. Easy, peasy. -- nm - Qale Nov 4, 07:01 2
    - and he allows them to be as racist and awful as possible - as they always wanted to be. -- nm - Diva Nov 4, 07:12 1
      - He's enabled them to believe their racism isn't racism at all. It's just finally saying what everyone wanted to say the whole time. -- nm - Inigo Nov 4, 07:20
  - The right-wing propaganda machine (talk radio, Fox News, Reddit, etc) is very effective because they perfectly okay with lying and fear-mongering. - mara Nov 4, 06:58 8
    - Counter: That machine only reaches maybe 20-25% of the people who voted for him yesterday. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 4, 07:00 7
      - I think it spreads wider (it's social media, youtube algorithms and other things as well). But I do think Trump's team has done an amazing job at - pmb Nov 4, 07:24
      - Local news outlets are becoming more conservative, too. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 07:04
      - Counter counter: It reaches far further than that estimate. For example last night, a tech was looking at his phone and announced BLM and Antifa were - crash davis Nov 4, 07:03 4
        
        this is just insane to me - that people think that is real. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 07:06 3
        
        The fact is we've just split into alternate universes. I don't know how you fix that. As they said on the Today show this morning, it's a cultural - pmb Nov 4, 07:11 1
        
        Just as someone looking in from the outside, i'm pretty devastated today. I also have no idea how you fix this but it's horrific to watch. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 07:13
        
        There was a long story about the Epoch Times in NYT a week or so again that I didn't share here. But I know a guy who gets it and will give anyone - crash davis Nov 4, 07:09
- With all the hopes on Texas turning Blue, to see that result. Some concern with South Florida as well -- nm* - budice Nov 4, 06:54
- That's where my wife is. It's heartbreaking that so many people that impact our lives every day looked at Trump and wanted four more years of it. -- nm - Volnelk Nov 4, 06:54
Biden now has the most votes for any Presidential Candidate ever -- (link) - budice Nov 4, 06:46 3
- Trump will pass this mark, too. -- nm - Inigo Nov 4, 06:49 1
  - a brief look at how much of the vote is still outstanding in California makes me give Trump's accomplishment a "whatevs" -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 06:52
- an amazing accomplishment and we are about 30 years past due on abolishing the electoral college -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 06:48
DecisionDesk says Biden has pulled ahead in MI with 95% of votes in. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 06:46
Biden -440/Trump +350 -- nm - Flavorize 🎃 Nov 4, 06:39 17
- In English - what does this mean? Who's the favorite here? -- nm - Johnny Lawrence Nov 4, 06:41 15
  - more details - Strongbad Nov 4, 07:21
  - more details - Strongbad Nov 4, 06:43 5
    - thank you for this info. I'm asking - so it appears Biden is the favorite at this time ( subject to change) -- nm - Epiphany Nov 4, 06:49 4
      - Yes. Biden was a slight favorite up until polls closed all day yesterday. Then Trump had a huge push and peaked around 10:00 Eastern -- (edited) - Strongbad Nov 4, 06:52
      - the odds are good even if the goods are odd. -- nm - Diva Nov 4, 06:51 2
        
        A deal is a deal... until a better one comes along. -- nm - Strongbad Nov 4, 06:56
        
        The odds are ever in my favor if the other tributes are hungover and sleep deprived -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 06:54
  - oops, Strongbad has it right -- nm* - crash davis Nov 4, 06:43 3
    - oops : ) -- nm* - rollo Nov 4, 06:45 2
      - oops - Epiphany Nov 4, 06:49
      - I keep getting this screwed up. Any wonder I don't bet? :) -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 06:46
  - Biden >80% -- nm - Strongbad Nov 4, 06:42 2
    - 20% that institutions will all finally work? Call me crazy, I would bet on the "darkhorse" right now. (NM) -- nm - Marlowe Nov 4, 07:06
    - Thanks to both of you -- nm - Johnny Lawrence Nov 4, 06:42
  - Biden 80% chance to win -- nm - budice Nov 4, 06:41
- I think i will get less work done today than yesterday. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 06:41
Today's magic trick is teaching quadratics on 3 hours sleep. -- nm - Reagen Nov 4, 06:38 1
- watch this movie about math...it is called Good Will Hunting -- nm - Beaker Nov 4, 06:39
the NY Times is using % of expected vote, which is better, IMO. -- nm - Reagen Nov 4, 06:36 1
- Most places were using that in 2016 as well, afaicr, as early voting started to be more common. -- (edited) - znufrii Nov 4, 06:51
Non Election: Played demo of Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity. It’s a very chaotic game, it feels like. But WOW it’s great to be back in BotW Hyrule! -- nm - Qale Nov 4, 06:33
Collins is ahead? Jesus. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 06:31 8
- "Susan Collins just dropped below 50 percent of the vote. If that holds, she and Gideon will be headed for a runoff." -- nm - mara Nov 4, 06:48 2
  - No run-off; it’s ranked choice iirc. -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 4, 07:06 1
    - Yup -- (link) - oblique Nov 4, 07:09
- Susan, yes. Doug lost to Loeffler here in GA. -- nm - Strongbad Nov 4, 06:41
- the people of Maine are pretty awful. i finally decided to leave the state after a person cut me off in traffic and then spit on my car. - colin Nov 4, 06:39 2
  - OH Jesus, forgot him. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 07:17
  - Fortunately that dungheap is gone. -- nm - Diva Nov 4, 06:45
- Stephen King is going to write a very special short story for her - Epiphany Nov 4, 06:39
I really wish I could call out from work today -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Nov 4, 06:26
TV PSA: AEW Dynamite, Devils, Nature, House of Payne, Martha Knows Best, Amazing Race, Goldbergs, Masked Singer, Real HW, WWE NXT, American Housewife, -- nm - Beaker Nov 4, 06:24 5
- American Ninja Warrior, Coroner, Conners, Sistas, I Can See Your Voice, black-ish, Property Brothers, The Con, Samantha Bee, The Daily Show, other stu -- nm - Beaker Nov 4, 06:26 4
  - TAR, Goldbergs, Ninja Warrior -- nm - Beaker Nov 4, 06:29 2
    - 3. We are enjoying TAR this season. Good cast. -- nm - Strongbad Nov 4, 06:30 1
      - haven't had a chance to start it yet. Had to finish s3 of The 100, then Mando and kids are out with friends most weekend nights -- nm - Beaker Nov 4, 06:37
  - Samantha is gonna be .. something. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 06:27
Ouch... -- nm - Diva Nov 4, 06:24 11
- 52% of white women voted for Trump in 2016 and New York Times exit polls predict this to be 55% in 2020. -- (link) - budice Nov 4, 06:25 10
  - Are exit polls even useful with this level of early voting? - spamlet Nov 4, 06:29 2
    - In addition to what Inigo said, it's also we legitimately won't know for days, weeks, or maybe even months. -- nm - David Nov 4, 07:02
    - It's not traditional exit polling. They're also calling early voters by phone, and have interviewed them prior to election day. - Inigo Nov 4, 06:40
  - Exit polls, with this many mail-in and early voters? -- nm - mara Nov 4, 06:29
  - Karenocracy. -- nm - Diva Nov 4, 06:27 1
    - I don't get it. I'm hoping they are lying to pollsters. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 06:28
  - What the fuck, bitches? -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 06:26 3
    - shaking my non Karen head. - Epiphany Nov 4, 06:38 2
      - I'm going to break this down how I see it with no names - Epiphany Nov 4, 07:09 1
        
        Interesting breakdown. -- nm - loosilu Nov 4, 07:20

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